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    Quote Originally Posted by Hector View Post
    Yes. A picture is indeed worth a thousand words.Superb cosplay.
    There are 45 Sovereign nations with a monarch as Head of State. I believe in this day and age, having a monarch is no a bad thing. Imagine being in a country where there are constant civil wars among those who feel it is their right to take leadership. With a monarchy in place, we are doubly protected. Even if a siege was laid on Westminster - they would have a job getting through Buckingham Palace as well.

    Not only do we have that protection but the Head of State is responsible for the executive, judicial and legislative branches of the government.

    The Royal Family are a Brand Name. It is a business. They do attract £millions in tourism and they do promote the country politically across the globe, they act to promote political misdirection and they are a status symbol of the UK.

    Last but not least - if there was no Royal Family, what would the media find to write about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    There are 45 Sovereign nations with a monarch as Head of State. I believe in this day and age, having a monarch is no a bad thing. Imagine being in a country where there are constant civil wars among those who feel it is their right to take leadership. With a monarchy in place, we are doubly protected. Even if a siege was laid on Westminster - they would have a job getting through Buckingham Palace as well.

    Not only do we have that protection but the Head of State is responsible for the executive, judicial and legislative branches of the government.

    The Royal Family are a Brand Name. It is a business. They do attract £millions in tourism and they do promote the country politically across the globe, they act to promote political misdirection and they are a status symbol of the UK.

    Last but not least - if there was no Royal Family, what would the media find to write about?
    Thank you for such a thoughtful response, Said . Most possibilities are at least touched on with an element of insight.

    However, do you not think that the current brand representatives are possibly not capable of marketing, promoting and delivering their product much longer? Could the dispute between the sons of Disco Di and Charlie be at root about what the public will buy in the age of reality TV and how best to package the goodies for the masses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieRoy View Post
    Works for me, the sooner the better.
    May I be so presumptuous and ask why ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hector View Post
    Harry can no longer pretend to be military men.
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    We can always live in hope. The French had the right idea.
    Reading this thread, I can see there are many anti royalist in here.

    How many of you have actually served in the armed forces?
    Not many I'd guess going by the comments, which is a shame, as it might instilled a bit of back bone in you.


    As for the French, they've never had a good, or right idea about anything. Being honest, the best things to come out of France are the ferries and roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tentill4 View Post
    Reading this thread, I can see there are many anti royalist in here.

    How many of you have actually served in the armed forces?
    Not many I'd guess going by the comments, which is a shame, as it might instilled a bit of back bone in you.


    As for the French, they've never had a good, or right idea about anything. Being honest, the best things to come out of France are the ferries and roads.
    This may not be the reason you joined up Tentill, but many lads and some lasses did and do because they need a job and even a trade and don't have the qualifications for further education.

    And for most of them there wasn't and isn't for most of the time the danger of (horror of horrors) being asked to go to war

    . But the Royals are not like you. (If you fall into the category above) For them, it's a public relations exercise. It makes them well liked by their subjects.

    And, given your post, it seems to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tentill4 View Post
    Reading this thread, I can see there are many anti royalist in here.

    How many of you have actually served in the armed forces?
    Not many I'd guess going by the comments, which is a shame, as it might instilled a bit of back bone in you.


    As for the French, they've never had a good, or right idea about anything. Being honest, the best things to come out of France are the ferries and roads.
    Having served in the forces is totally irrelevant, Royalty is a left over from the middle ages, the world has moved on and it is way past the time that this country caught up rather clinging on on to the past. Royalty, The Commonwealth and being ruled by people who just happened to be born in the right place is just clinging on to the last vestiges of The Empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Having served in the forces is totally irrelevant, Royalty is a left over from the middle ages, the world has moved on and it is way past the time that this country caught up rather clinging on on to the past. Royalty, The Commonwealth and being ruled by people who just happened to be born in the right place is just clinging on to the last vestiges of The Empire.
    In your posts here and on other subjects you often use phrases like 'tugging the forelock' and 'grovelling' which give a good indication of your realationship with themonarchy and probably with aristocracy in general. But if you are going to accuse the monarchy of being left over from the middle ages you must admit that the use of such words to characterise the relationship between people and monarchy today is also a remnant of times past. I have never tugged my forelock to anyone and I have never met anyone who has. The skill of the modern monarchy has been, far from clinging to the past, adapting to the times they find themselves in. We now have a constitutional monarchy and the relationship with British people has changed.This funeral going on as I write exemplifies the feeling of many that the Royal Family is more like an archetype of families throughout the country. I've heard several people describe Phillip as the nation's Grandfather. Yes, they are where they are because of heredity but that does not equate to ruling over us. We have a parliamentary democracy and any allegience we give to the crown comes from a different place.
    As a student of the constitution I can say that the fact that the armed forces, civil service etc all swear allegience to the Crown,not a political party, has given great stability to Britain in turbulent times and when other countries have succumbed to revolution. If there ever was an attempt at a coup here it would most likely fail on those grounds alone.
    People like continuity and tradition, That's not clinging to the past, it's valuing elements that have survived because they serve a purpose. I like to feel that moments like this funeral bring us together and add a sense of community. I feel sorry for people who exclude themselves from this aspect of British life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joan ofarc View Post
    In your posts here and on other subjects you often use phrases like 'tugging the forelock' and 'grovelling' which give a good indication of your realationship with themonarchy and probably with aristocracy in general. But if you are going to accuse the monarchy of being left over from the middle ages you must admit that the use of such words to characterise the relationship between people and monarchy today is also a remnant of times past. I have never tugged my forelock to anyone and I have never met anyone who has. The skill of the modern monarchy has been, far from clinging to the past, adapting to the times they find themselves in. We now have a constitutional monarchy and the relationship with British people has changed.This funeral going on as I write exemplifies the feeling of many that the Royal Family is more like an archetype of families throughout the country. I've heard several people describe Phillip as the nation's Grandfather. Yes, they are where they are because of heredity but that does not equate to ruling over us. We have a parliamentary democracy and any allegience we give to the crown comes from a different place.
    As a student of the constitution I can say that the fact that the armed forces, civil service etc all swear allegience to the Crown,not a political party, has given great stability to Britain in turbulent times and when other countries have succumbed to revolution. If there ever was an attempt at a coup here it would most likely fail on those grounds alone.
    People like continuity and tradition, That's not clinging to the past, it's valuing elements that have survived because they serve a purpose. I like to feel that moments like this funeral bring us together and add a sense of community. I feel sorry for people who exclude themselves from this aspect of British life.
    I've never used 'tugging the forelock' and 'grovelling'.
    All 'Tradition' does is highlight what went wrong and failed in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    I've never used 'tugging the forelock' and 'grovelling'.
    All 'Tradion' does is highlight what went wrong and failed in the past.
    Apologies if it wasn't you. The points I made remain however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hector View Post
    This may not be the reason you joined up Tentill, but many lads and some lasses did and do because they need a job and even a trade and don't have the qualifications for further education.

    And for most of them there wasn't and isn't for most of the time the danger of (horror of horrors) being asked to go to war

    . But the Royals are not like you. (If you fall into the category above) For them, it's a public relations exercise. It makes them well liked by their subjects.

    And, given your post, it seems to work.
    People join up for many reasons, and if they have any qualifications or not, they will to sit a number of tests to determine what job they can do within the armed forces, and yes, part of joining up is knowing that you may be sent into a conflict.

    The Royals are a family, and like any family they have their problems. I'm sure if everyone looked into their own family history, they will probably find some hidden demons lurking there, doesn't make you a bad person though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Having served in the forces is totally irrelevant
    I disagree, serving in the armed forces gives you discipline, which is severely lacking in a lot of people today.
    The reason I mentioned it was because it was brought up earlier in the thread ref. Harry and Andrew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    All 'Tradition' does is highlight what went wrong and failed in the past.
    Does this mean we should do away with birthday presents, anniversary presents, pancake tuesday, auld lang syne, etc........

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    Not sure it will be the end of them. Although I'm not fussed either way. Monarchy doesn't really set with my political beliefs.

    Felt sorry for Queenie sat on her own today though. I don't care what her upbringing has been, or how much a slave to duty she might be, she could have done with someone with an arm around her or a hand to hold.

    The future of the Monarchy rests with Charles. That's anybody's guess. Some see him as a forward thinking, modern chap. Others see him as an unfaithful fool who chats to daisies and dreams of being sanitary products. Who knows? He might be great, he might bring it all down.

    Personally I think the establishment will just trundle along as always. There's too much money in it to fall that easily. Most countries that have become Republics haven't crashed and burned. They just get on with it as we all do. Some have restored the monarchy without a fuss too. I doubt it would make a massive difference to us individually either way. Aldi will still open, mortgages have to be paid, cars need MOTs, life goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tentill4 View Post
    Does this mean we should do away with birthday presents, anniversary presents, pancake tuesday, auld lang syne, etc........
    Why not they are all meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Why not they are all meaningless.
    Oh dear. Well, while you teeter on the brink of oblivion I'll continue enjoying life's little meaningless traditions. Each to his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tentill4 View Post
    Reading this thread, I can see there are many anti royalist in here.

    How many of you have actually served in the armed forces?
    Not many I'd guess going by the comments, which is a shame, as it might instilled a bit of back bone in you.


    As for the French, they've never had a good, or right idea about anything. Being honest, the best things to come out of France are the ferries and roads.
    Particularly the moral compass failed in Vichy France.

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