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  1. Published on: 25/04/2021 05:36 AMReported by: roving-eye
    Last Thursdays's Sefton Council meeting saw Labour councillors propose and vote through a motion supporting a 'minimum of 10% pay uplift' in council officers' pay from April.

    But, warned Lib Dem councillor Simon Shaw during the debate, it would come at a massive cost - around 8% or 9% extra on council tax bills.

    "So rather than the 5% increase in council tax Labour landed us with in March, they would have needed a 13% or 14% increase in our annual council tax."

    "Labour will claim that their motion says it wants the Government to fund this 10%+ pay award in full but we all know that this would never happen. But their support for the massive proposed pay increase is unconditional. So even when the Government says 'no' Labour-controlled Sefton Council still says it supports it"

    Councillor Shaw points out that Sefton Council middle managers on £45,000 pa would see an increase of around £5,000 if Labour had their way. At the top end senior council bosses pay could soar by up to £15,000.

    "People doing important jobs whether in the public, private or voluntary sectors deserve to be properly paid. However a pay rise for council officers of over 10% is just not living in the real world,"

    The full text of the Labour motion is to found at: https://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/documen...e%20-%20PL.pdf
     






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  3. justbecause says:25/04/2021 07:57 AM
    Well that’s Labour for you, always have been good at spending other people’s money and lining their own pickets. Hopefully the Electorate will put a stop to this greed on the 6th May, but somehow I doubt it.

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  5. sandGroundZero says:25/04/2021 08:49 AM
    This council believes:
    Our workers are public service super-heroes. They keep our communities clean and safe, look after those in need and keep our towns and cities running. Without the professionalism and dedication of our staff, the council services our residents rely on would not be deliverable.
    Local government workers deserve a proper real-terms pay increase. The Government needs to take responsibility and fully fund this increase; it should not put the burden on local authorities whose funding has been cut to the bone and who have not been offered adequate support through the Covid-19 pandemic.
    This council resolves to:
    Support the pay claim submitted by GMB, Unison and Unite on behalf of council and school workers, for a substantial increase with a minimum of 10 per cent uplift in April 2021.
    Call on the Local Government Association to make urgent representations to central government to fund the NJC pay claim.
    Write to the Chancellor and Secretary of State to call for a pay increase for local government workers to be funded with new money from central government. Meet with local NJC union representatives to convey support for the pay claim and consider practical ways in which the council can support the campaign.

    justbecause says:
    Well that’s Labour for you, always have been good at spending other people’s money and lining their own pickets. Hopefully the Electorate will put a stop to this greed on the 6th May, but somehow I doubt it.
    Yes; just like Labour to support the working people, including Sefton employees in their demand that central government — that has doled out millions to its 'friends ' — fund a pay rise after 10 years of local government enforced austerity and 12 months of exceptional service and hardship.

    Just like the Liberal Democrats (Cllr. Simon Shaw) to begrudge.

  6. justbecause says:25/04/2021 09:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    This council believes:
    Our workers are public service super-heroes. They keep our communities clean and safe, look after those in need and keep our towns and cities running. Without the professionalism and dedication of our staff, the council services our residents rely on would not be deliverable.
    Local government workers deserve a proper real-terms pay increase. The Government needs to take responsibility and fully fund this increase; it should not put the burden on local authorities whose funding has been cut to the bone and who have not been offered adequate support through the Covid-19 pandemic.
    This council resolves to:
    Support the pay claim submitted by GMB, Unison and Unite on behalf of council and school workers, for a substantial increase with a minimum of 10 per cent uplift in April 2021.
    Call on the Local Government Association to make urgent representations to central government to fund the NJC pay claim.
    Write to the Chancellor and Secretary of State to call for a pay increase for local government workers to be funded with new money from central government. Meet with local NJC union representatives to convey support for the pay claim and consider practical ways in which the council can support the campaign.

    justbecause says:

    Yes; just like Labour to support the working people, including Sefton employees in their demand that central government — that has doled out millions to its 'friends ' — fund a pay rise after 10 years of local government enforced austerity and 12 months of exceptional service and hardship.

    Just like the Liberal Democrats (Cllr. Simon Shaw) to begrudge.
    So it’s just employees of Sefton Council that have given exceptional service and suffered hardship. Get real.

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  8. donkey22 says:25/04/2021 10:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    Well that’s Labour for you, always have been good at spending other people’s money and lining their own pickets. Hopefully the Electorate will put a stop to this greed on the 6th May, but somehow I doubt it.
    Doesn’t even come close to the cronyism and sleaze that’s started getting unearthed regarding the slime ball clown sat in number 10.

  9. sandGroundZero says:25/04/2021 10:33 AM
    justbecause says:
    So it’s just employees of Sefton Council that have given exceptional service and suffered hardship. Get real.
    justbecause, you evidently have not bothered to glean the intent of Councillors supporting the motion alluded to in this admittedly rather misleading item before you commented.

    Councillors voted on a motion to support the National Joint Council for Local Government Services pay claim. The NJC comprises Unite, Unison and GMB unions' claims on behalf of local government workers.

    I DO NOT say only local government workers "have given exceptional service and suffered hardship". However, it is the case that local governments have had to bear the brunt of a decade of centrally imposed austerity. I expect the claim extends beyond people directly employed by Councils.

    Low and middling wage earners have not fared well — not through the months of Covid restrictions and not over the years of Conservative (and 2010-2015 Conservative /Lib Dem coalition) austerity.

    It is hardly surprising that Labour Councillors wish to lend their support (limited though it is).

    Why do you begrudge them?

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  11. salus.populi says:25/04/2021 11:02 AM
    Nothing more than posturing from both sides. The council doesn't decide it's own pay rises they are decided nationally and will be be nowhere near 10%, more like 1%.
    The motion is simply a gesture from a Labour councillor backing the trade unions request for 10% which they ask for every year before settling for far less (even when Labour was in govenrment).

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  13. Tallboy says:25/04/2021 01:39 PM
    Spot on!! As usual Sefton wasting time & money at the expense of local Tax payers.....

  14. said says:25/04/2021 07:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    This council believes:
    Our workers are public service super-heroes. They keep our communities clean and safe, look after those in need and keep our towns and cities running. Without the professionalism and dedication of our staff, the council services our residents rely on would not be deliverable.
    Local government workers deserve a proper real-terms pay increase. The Government needs to take responsibility and fully fund this increase; it should not put the burden on local authorities whose funding has been cut to the bone and who have not been offered adequate support through the Covid-19 pandemic.
    This council resolves to:
    Support the pay claim submitted by GMB, Unison and Unite on behalf of council and school workers, for a substantial increase with a minimum of 10 per cent uplift in April 2021.
    Call on the Local Government Association to make urgent representations to central government to fund the NJC pay claim.
    Write to the Chancellor and Secretary of State to call for a pay increase for local government workers to be funded with new money from central government. Meet with local NJC union representatives to convey support for the pay claim and consider practical ways in which the council can support the campaign.

    justbecause says:

    Yes; just like Labour to support the working people, including Sefton employees in their demand that central government — that has doled out millions to its 'friends ' — fund a pay rise after 10 years of local government enforced austerity and 12 months of exceptional service and hardship.

    Just like the Liberal Democrats (Cllr. Simon Shaw) to begrudge.
    The Council believes...........Why are these unqualified workers all suddenly superheroes? They are working, they have jobs and they get paid which is more than a great many highly trained professional people can expect at this time. The council then continue in telling us what they do in their jobs - well, that is the job they signed up to do isn't it? If they were unable to do their job they would be dismissed, wouldn't they? They want a pay increase. Why? Has the cost of everything suddenly gone up? If they have a pay increase, then the Private Sector also deserve a pay increase and then prices would also increase making any wage increases null and void.

    Then of course is the veiled threat of the Unions - "we all belong to the Unions, and the unions all support White collar workers, so if we do not get a pay rise, we are going on strike" So if public Service workers don't get a pay rise, they will hold the country to ransom and then wonder why the Public Sector is constantly being privatised.

    The electorate have already seen Council Tax rises for the Police Authority - what? There should be tax increases for all the other Public Services too? The UK is already paying the highest level of taxes ever known before.

    Let's not get too greedy eh? Public Service workers are in protected employment to a great degree, they are already paid higher than Private Service workers in similar roles, they are on flexible working hour, they also have guaranteed pensions and generous sick pay. They do not work harder than those in the Private sector, in fact - why not align their salaries to productive work? In the private sector, an employer is able to measure the output from his employees - in the Public Services this has not been introduced. If the Public Sector need more money, then why not create a list of work to be completed in a week for each employee. If they complete the work early, then they can contract their work out to other public service departments. Whichever way - increased salaries at a time when the country is trying to recoup the expense of the virus is more than likely to lead to even fewer employees in the Public Sector which the unions will be powerless to do anything about.

  15. salus.populi says:25/04/2021 09:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    The Council believes...........Why are these unqualified workers all suddenly superheroes?
    They're not unqualified.

    They want a pay increase. Why? Has the cost of everything suddenly gone up? If they have a pay increase, then the Private Sector also deserve a pay increase and then prices would also increase making any wage increases null and void.
    Prices goes up every year regardless. Public sector pay rises have been below inflation for decades. Yes, the private sector also deserve pay rise.



    Let's not get too greedy eh? Public Service workers are in protected employment to a great degree, they are already paid higher than Private Service workers in similar roles
    A false and oversimplified generalisation.

    Perhaps you could enlighten us to what your job is?
    Whatever it is it gives you time to post on here and on social media constantly.

  16. sandGroundZero says:26/04/2021 10:21 AM
    The picture of Britain’s post-crash economic settlement was clear even before the dramatic impact of Covid. To put it bluntly, the proceeds of economic growth in the UK now flow entirely to asset-owners – including homeowners. Study after study has shown that in the decade after the financial crisis, average real wages simply stopped rising – something that had never happened in two centuries of industrial capitalism.

    The Tories have become expert at overseeing and manipulating a new sort of post-growth economy, in which there is no attempt to produce a “rising tide that lifts all boats”, and the state simply intervenes to divert money toward those voters who deserve it and away from those who do not.
    A blatant moralistic opposition between the traditional home-owning family and a “woke” statue-toppling mob becomes more vivid and electorally potent in a dysfunctional economy, which feels like a zero-sum competition. Given the nature of their current coalition, one has to wonder: if the Tories had the option to end wage stagnation and deliver affordable housing, would they even take it?

  17. duncet says:26/04/2021 07:27 PM
    The thread is headed 10% pay rise for council officers. These people are not exactly on the breadline.
    Payrises shouldn't be awarded as percentages. That means the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They should be awarded as a straight amount - across the board. eg. give everyone an extra £5 or £10 or whatever. That way the lower paid workers receive a meaningful increase whereas those at the top - less so.

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  19. sandGroundZero says:27/04/2021 08:23 AM
    "Last Thursdays's Sefton Council meeting saw Labour councillors propose and vote through a motion supporting a 'minimum of 10% pay uplift' in council officers' pay from April.
    …"
    Quote Originally Posted by duncet View Post
    The thread is headed 10% pay rise for council officers. These people are not exactly on the breadline. …
    An item of so-called local news reports one rather trivial detail from a Council meeting in a highly misleading fashion. Q Local's Southport 'news ' should not be taken at face value.

    Quote Originally Posted by duncet View Post
    …Payrises shouldn't be awarded as percentages. That means the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They should be awarded as a straight amount - across the board. eg. give everyone an extra £5 or £10 or whatever. That way the lower paid workers receive a meaningful increase whereas those at the top - less so.
    …as for the rest ..?
    equitable pay awards (or the equitable distribution of wealth, generally) are deeply unfashionable these days.


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