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    A wide range of policies for years, now, have been devised to 'nudge ' people to re-think their priorities with respect of how we make our journeys.
    Governments recognize that it is essential to reduce the numbers of vehicles clogging-up our towns and cities, somehow, in spite of stiff resistance owing to entrenched expectations.


    Some people simply refuse to 'connect the dots ' and acknowledge the facts!

    In future, expect smaller vehicles and alternatives to ownership:
    • shared use of communal vehicles including vehicle hire per journey;
    • fully autonomous (i.e. driverless) vehicles in taxi fleets; and of course
    • greatly improved public transportation networks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Selfishly expecting all parts of a pavement to be kept for the odd pedestrian is symptomatic of the me me me generation that does not think of the general good.

    It's appalling but not unexpected these days.
    I find it equally appalling, that me me me motorists expect to keep all parts of a roadway to themselves (e.g. by opposing on-road cycle lanes).

    Now the boot is on the other foot, motorists are surprised that pedestrians object to sacrificing all but the last few feet of their pavements!
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    Hey Jake the peg how many feet have you got boots on ?, are you commenting as a motorist a cyclist or a pedestrian ?. Have a ride down Shaws road when everyone comes home from work, if everyone parked square on the road ( many times opposite each other ) you wouldn’t fit another car in between them let alone a fire engine. Some park nearly up to the wall blocking anything that wants to pass on the pavement as there’s no other real option. I think the great authority on this subject in this town will be the bin wagon drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY View Post
    Hey Jake the peg how many feet have you got boots on ?, are you commenting as a motorist a cyclist or a pedestrian ?.
    All three!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY View Post
    Have a ride down Shaws road when everyone comes home from work, if everyone parked square on the road ( many times opposite each other ) you wouldn’t fit another car in between them let alone a fire engine. Some park nearly up to the wall blocking anything that wants to pass on the pavement as there’s no other real option. I think the great authority on this subject in this town will be the bin wagon drivers.
    There's no one-size-fits-all solution to pavement parking. Each road should to be treated individually.

    Where there's clearly space to park on a pavement. E.g. along Guildford Rd, parking spaces should be marked out on the pavement and yellow lines put on the road. Where roads are too narrow for parking on both sides, it should only be permitted on one side, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY View Post
    Some park nearly up to the wall blocking anything that wants to pass on the pavement as there’s no other real option.

    You'll be amazed how small a gap you can get a metal framed wheel chair down. Even if it need a bit more of a push.

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    Before the traffic calming measures were introduced on Guildford rd and long before the application and eventual removal of the rumble strip that ran down Guildford rd, ( the only road in the country that had a motorway rumble strip in the middle of it ),the police knocked on every door asking residents not to park on the road if they didn’t mind ( main bus route ) as it caused considerable congestion and a hazard to what was ever faster moving traffic but instead asked if they wouldn’t mind parking on the tarmac edge between the road and the pavement in what looks like a well planned parking space . There used to be a lot of serious accidents down that road particularly where it bends near the shaws rd bus stop. It used to be a long continuous unhindered fast rd from Carr lane to moss rd and the way the bends were / are caught a good few people out at speed. You couldn’t get away with much more than a ton on a motorbike either .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceam View Post
    You'll be amazed how small a gap you can get a metal framed wheel chair down. Even if it need a bit more of a push.
    I understand and sympathise with this more than you think, and prams and the partially sighted but most of all children, small innocent unaware children thinking la la la it’s great to be alive ...that may just appear from behind a parked car this really freaks me out. From my motorcycle training days I learned to look inside the parked or stopped cars for people about to open doors and look under them for feet or movement and be aware that someone or something might just appear anytime and for no reason. This in later life is still with me and nowerdays going down smaller roads with parked cars everywhere I really go into super aware mode and reduce speed to an absolute minimum, yea this issue really freaks me out .

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    There's no one-size-fits-all solution to pavement parking. Each road should to be treated individually.

    Where there's clearly space to park on a pavement. E.g. along Guildford Rd, parking spaces should be marked out on the pavement and yellow lines put on the road. Where roads are too narrow for parking on both sides, it should only be permitted on one side, etc.
    Nah it’s ok as it is, as the police suggested.
    Everyone, residents and visitors and service providers alike enjoy ample safe no hassle parking, if we leave it to you and your new fangled red tape ideas we will have expensive lines of all colours painted everywhere and it won’t be long before we have bicycle lanes holding up the real traffic, no keep your ideas thanks we will just stick to getting by with good old tried and tested common sense.

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    The new housing development have very narrow roads and in some cases no pavements at all. The planning department allow it.

    The new Hamlet Close opposite Lydl has one parking place for each unit.
    If you have a 2, which lots of households have, they have to park on the pavement.

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    The reality is the pavements like the cycle lanes are usually deserted in many areas.

    In our crowded world it's a luxury we simply haven't got the space for.

    The selfish few will want acres of empty pavements and unused cycle lanes

    The reality is the car is and will continue to be our primary form of transport for the majority.

    Public transport is a time-wasting expensive farce that I can usually beat on my push bike for short distances.

    Technology is bringing some help with self driving electric vehicles that will replace traditional taxis and most local public transport.

    We need to get on board with this asap.

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    I always thought that you could only park on the pavement in designated areas that had the appropriate signage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    A) The reality is the pavements like the cycle lanes are usually deserted in many areas.

    B) In our crowded world it's a luxury we simply haven't got the space for.

    C) The selfish few will want acres of empty pavements and unused cycle lanes

    D) The reality is the car is and will continue to be our primary form of transport for the majority.
    A) As are a good number of country lanes and residential roads with little or no traffic - would you do away with these?

    B) Amsterdam is crowded and has narrow streets, yet almost everyone walks or cycles. Maybe there's a lesson there, like how the Council created traffic-free zones and has provided a comprehensive network of cycle routes, along with 'bike' phases at almost every set of lights.

    If we're that short on space, I'd argue the single-occupant car, which takes up far more space than a pedestrian or a bike - is the first thing to look at removing!

    C) Whatever happened to your 'crowds'?

    D) The modern car is a creation of the auto industry. Grossly oversized status symbols, flogged to gullible Joe Public via slick ad-campaigns.
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    It seems that it is not just parking that pavements are for.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...using-20547871


    Some truly horrendous examples which should have been sent to the Police rather than The Echo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A) As are a good number of country lanes and residential roads with little or no traffic - would you do away with these?

    No I wouldn't be digging up country roads.

    B) Amsterdam is crowded and has narrow streets, yet almost everyone walks or cycles. Maybe there's a lesson there, like how the Council created traffic-free zones and has provided a comprehensive network of cycle routes, along with 'bike' phases at almost every set of lights.


    Its a shock I know but we aren't in Amsterdam.

    If we're that short on space, I'd argue the single-occupant car, which takes up far more space than a pedestrian or a bike - is the first thing to look at removing!


    We could make people go where they don't want to, then the cars might be full.

    C) Whatever happened to your 'crowds'?

    No idea.

    D) The modern car is a creation of the auto industry. Grossly oversized status symbols, flogged to gullible Joe Public via slick ad-campaigns.
    You can buy small cars but the size is mainly about meeting EU safety standards with crumple zones.

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