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    Boris Marches On.

    Well done Boris with Hartlepool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Well done Boris with Hartlepool.
    Currently Tory policies are more what we would expect from Labour, sooner or later they will revert to type, for now we live with it.

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    Labour are blaming seat losses on 'Long Corbyn'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Well done Boris with Hartlepool.
    The red wall continues to crumble.

    Orwell said "If there is hope, it lies in the proles." Whilst champagne socialists see diversity idealised at university, the common folk experience it first hand in their neighbour hoods.

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    cant wait for Boris at the dispatch box . Long live Sir Karmer.?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Styx View Post
    The red wall continues to crumble.

    Nandy caught out?

    Pledge to save the Red wall.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a9281891.html

    Denies all knowledge of the term.

    "Ms Nandy claimed to not know what the Red Wall is regardless of her celebration funnelling all resources into Hartlepool with the intention to cease the crumbling of Labour’s once-dominant position throughout the Midlands and North of England."

    https://uk.newschant.com/uk-news/lis...epool-uk-news/

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    It is nothing whatsoever to be happy about as we head for a ONE Party state which becomes a very dangerous prospect especially if you have someone whose cossetted upbringing gives him no idea of the Real World.
    I'm afraid Comrade Corbyn has more or less resigned us to becoming one as in 11 years Labour has completely lost it's way and most of it's senior MP's.
    Brown, the WRONG Milliband, and Corbyn have turned regular Labour voters to look for alternatives. Not one ounce of charisma and popularity between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Londoner View Post
    It is nothing whatsoever to be happy about as we head for a ONE Party state which becomes a very dangerous prospect especially if you have someone whose cossetted upbringing gives him no idea of the Real World.
    I'm afraid Comrade Corbyn has more or less resigned us to becoming one as in 11 years Labour has completely lost it's way and most of it's senior MP's.
    Brown, the WRONG Milliband, and Corbyn have turned regular Labour voters to look for alternatives. Not one ounce of charisma and popularity between them.
    Corbyn was more than cosseted.

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    I recall commenting a few weeks ago on how the Labour party have got the mood of the country very, very wrong.
    Nobody likes a whiner or whinger - except when we're on one ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Londoner View Post
    It is nothing whatsoever to be happy about as we head for a ONE Party state which becomes a very dangerous prospect especially if you have someone whose cossetted upbringing gives him no idea of the Real World.
    I'm afraid Comrade Corbyn has more or less resigned us to becoming one as in 11 years Labour has completely lost it's way and most of it's senior MP's.
    Brown, the WRONG Milliband, and Corbyn have turned regular Labour voters to look for alternatives. Not one ounce of charisma and popularity between them.


    Comrade Corbyn won Hartlepool.

    Starmer lost it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Comrade Corbyn won Hartlepool.

    Starmer lost it.
    Bloody Brexit won it

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    Quote.........
    "3. Brexitland values
    Those who voted Tory for the first time in their lives in 2019 did so with real trepidation and are heavily invested in Johnson doing well – not just the pandemic but also on Brexit. Hartlepool voted 70% to Leave the EU and it looks like Jill Mortimer convinced a big chunk of the 26% who voted Brexit party in 2019 to vote Tory. While the PM can use Brexit as a weapon of choice (on the vaccines, on the European Super League, on the Jersey ‘cod war’), Starmer’s “don’t mention the war” approach isn’t working.

    But as academics Maria Sobolewska and Rob Ford detailed in their book ‘Brexitland’, there are deep seated issues among working class voters that predate the 2016 referendum. Those who don’t go to university felt an increasing disconnect and a sense that their values on identity, crime and immigration have been ridiculed or demonised by Labour. When Starmer talks about “Labour values” it can feel like him saying his party has a monopoly on morality. The flipside of attacking the Tories as evil is that you risk telling Tory voters they’re evil too.

    Leftwing MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle summed up the problem when he tweeted overnight “Good to see valueless flag waving and suit wearing working so well... or not?” Many working class voters are baffled by anyone questioning the Union Jack, let alone why wearing a suit is a bad thing. Angela Rayner was mocked by the Left for appearing before an England flag on St George’s Day and Rebecca Long-Bailey saw the value of “progressive patriotism” but had to retreat from it. Ed Miliband’s ‘Controls on immigration’ 2015 election coffee mug was inept but its message will again strike working class voters as wholly uncontroversial.

    4. Hartlepool is not Oldham
    Labour’s problems with white working class voters contrast with its successes in maintaining its vote among Britain’s large Asian population. But while that vote is incredibly loyal (as proved in seats like Bedford, as well as big cities, in the 2019 election), it is obviously absent in many towns across the country and Hartlepool is a clear example.

    One criticism muttered among some local activists is that by-election campaign manager Jim McMahon seemed to treat the seat like his own seat of Oldham, which has a large Pakistani heritage population. In McMahon’s own by-election in 2015, he romped home by turning out that vote in big numbers. Yet local context matters and Teesside Mayor Ben Houchen had already given Labour voters a taste of voting Tory. There are wider lessons of the power of incumbency, as Blue Wall Tory MPs put down roots and organisation for 2023."

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b0b37f89476272

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    Currently Tory policies are more what we would expect from Labour, sooner or later they will revert to type, for now we live with it.
    Oh dear!

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    One of the first reported reactions to Labour's historic loss of Hartlepool came from Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP who said: "Good to see valueless flag waving and suit wearing working so well... or not?"

    That comment probably referred to Labour's current championing of image over substance as much as anything, but nevertheless the "flag waving" bit did put me in mind of an old comment by Emily Thornberry.

    It is a refreshing change to be seeing that Labour supporters I know aren't reverting to their post-loss, zero-insight, default-setting of blaming right-wing media, the electorate, Laura Kuenssberg, etc.

    Instead, as can be seen nationally, their fire is turned on Starmer and the centrists. Incidentally, I read a BBC by-election reporter talk of the antagonism between Labour's "centre left and very left." Not "hard left", not "far left" - but "very left." How cute. I'll be on the lookout for a comparable description, i.e. the "very right."

    There's certainly antagonism abounding:



    Well, that's one view, and obviously a reality, too.

    Another view has come from Labour MP Khalid Mahmood, who has pointed out the bleeding obvious:

    Labour MP Khalid Mahmood quits Keir Starmer’s frontbench, warning party taken over by ‘woke social media warriors’

    Party has lost touch with working-class voters over past decade, says MP

    Labour MP Khalid Mahmood has quit Keir Starmer’s frontbench, warning that the party has been taken over by “a London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors”.

    Mr Mahmood had served as a shadow defence minister since Starmer’s arrival in office, but said he resigned because Labour had “lost touch with ordinary British people”.

    The Birmingham Perry Barr MP announced his decision in the wake of the party’s crushing defeat in the former safe seat of Hartlepool, and made clear that he expected Labour also to lose the election for West Midlands mayor.

    Labour sources said he had left the frontbench some weeks ago, but no announcement was made at the time.

    In an article for the Policy Exchange think tank, Mr Mahmood said that Labour had moved away from working-class voters’ priorities under the leaderships of not only Starmer, but also Jeremy Corbyn and Ed Miliband.

    “In the past decade, Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people,” he said.

    “A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party.

    “They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

    “The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world.

    “No wonder it is doing better among rich urban liberals and young university graduates than it is amongst the most important part of its traditional electoral coalition, the working class.”

    Mr Mahmood quoted Peter Mandelson’s account of a former Labour voter who told him on a Hartlepool doorstep: “Sort yourselves out. You picked the wrong brother and you ended up with Corbyn so that’s goodbye to you. When you’ve sorted yourselves out, we’ll look at you again.”

    And he said: “It would be easy for Labour MPs and members to whinge about the unfairness of this summary of the past decade.

    “But we must recognise that is how we are seen by so many people in the places that were once unfailingly loyal to us – as a party that has lost its way.

    “It is only by engagement on a local level, meeting eye to eye with voters and hearing their concerns, that we will fix that. I will be doing so not from the Labour front bench, but walking the streets of my constituency as a backbencher and talking face to face with the people I have the honour to serve.”

    Mr Mahmood warned that “superficial flag-waving” by the party leader would not convince voters that the Labour Party shares their sense of patriotism.

    “They are more alert to rebranding exercises than spin doctors give them credit for,” he warned. “Their patriotism is about historic pride in their places, the heritage and stories of those places, and the Britishness and Englishness of the people and families that call them home.”

    And he said voters’ priorities were job security, a bright future for their children and grandchildren, a well-functioning NHS, and investment in infrastructure and transport.

    “There is a need for humility, to begin with,” he said.

    “If Labour is to win back seats like Hartlepool it will have to change the minds of people who yesterday chose to vote Conservative.

    “Is there a danger that our party, in its opposition and confusion over Brexit, has veered towards an anti-British attitude? I certainly worry that some of our previous supporters will see it that way.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1843967.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Well done Boris with Hartlepool.
    He does march on and he will.

    Labour has lost the plot. Meanwhile the Tories have morphed into being acceptable by the majority who feel threatened by minorities and have no interest in a greater good.

    I can't blame them. Who can?

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