Middle east crisis.

[Hamble]

As it states in your link, a building in the Iranian Embassy compound adjacent the main building Is still the Iranian Embassy.

If only you had made that clear in your original post Mr P

[local]

On a useless defend antisemitism trail Local.

Iran and Syria do not recognise Israel exists.

Completely untrue but still that's the usual defensive statement.

No true friend of Israel will think the current state of affairs is good for now or the future of its people.

They can now look forward to years and years of fear.
The Hamas scum (note my often used term) has got much support they don't deserve and thousands of new recruits.

If you pinched my land bombed my home and killed my family because Boris Johnson or Attila the Hun was my leader i wouldn't be happy.

I think the term you might use for me is non-tribal.......

Many in Israel including government would happily deny the existence of those in Gaza we know, just the same as some crackpots in power want the destruction of Israel but in practice who is annihalating who?

Its the actions not the words that matter.

[Hamble]

Completely untrue but still that's the usual defensive statement.

No true friend of Israel will think the current state of affairs is good for now or the future of its people.

They can now look forward to years and years of fear.
The Hamas scum (note my often used term) has got much support they don't deserve and thousands of new recruits.

If you pinched my land bombed my home and killed my family because Boris Johnson or Attila the Hun was my leader i wouldn't be happy.

I think the term you might use for me is non-tribal.......

Many in Israel including government would happily deny the existence of those in Gaza we know, just the same as some crackpots in power want the destruction of Israel but in practice who is annihalating who?

Its the actions not the words that matter.

You mean that "Hamas scum" funded by Iran and Hezbollah?
Same thing really.

Iran attacks USA military on Foreign soil and is suspected of killing and kidnapping on British soil.

I would describe you as a political winger too occupied with gossip rather than 'non-tribal'.
Your posts reflect which way the wind is blowing politically rather than
from a knowledge of history and geography.

[shippy]

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1)No true friend of Israel will think the current state of affairs is good for now or the future of its people.

2)Its the actions not the words that matter.[/QUOTE]

All I can say, is that I believe that Europe and possibly the UK will be in a similar situation within the next 15-20 years. Time will tell.
People coming to the UK to embrace the British way of life, but they will eventually force their way of life and barbaric customs on you.

Of course actions had to be taken. 1400 murdered , some in the most horrific way. But you know. …

You can see it already happening in the UK.

[local]

All I can say, is that I believe that Europe and possibly the UK will be in a similar situation within the next 15-20 years. Time will tell.
People coming to the UK to embrace the British way of life, but they will eventually force their way of life and barbaric customs on you.

Of course actions had to be taken. 1400 murdered , some in the most horrific way. But you know. …

You can see it already happening in the UK.

I have little doubt that some murdering scum hiding under Islam will be already plotting, never mind 15-20 years, we have already seen it.

It's not Jewish terrorists trying to force their twisted hate values on us.

And I am happy to see them all dropped in the sea on fire but that still doesn't excuse Israel's actions.

[Hamble]

I have little doubt that some murdering scum hiding under Islam will be already plotting, never mind 15-20 years, we have already seen it.

It's not Jewish terrorists trying to force their twisted hate values on us.

And I am happy to see them all dropped in the sea on fire but that still doesn't excuse Israel's actions.

Israel has a right to defend herself against invasion and attack.
It is antisemitic to imply her land was 'pinched'.
Partition is the divide of land between peoples.

Do you actually believe Jewish immigrants to the UK are stealing your land?
Or that Ukraine should stop fighting because once they were Russian's?

[Alikado]

If only you had made that clear in your original post Mr P

It was perfectly clear, I stated it was an attack on an embassy in a third country. Totally against International Law!

[sandGroundZero]

… Herzl, the acknowledged leader of the growing movement he had founded, had paid his sole visit to Palestine in 1898, timing it to coincide with that of the German kaiser Wilhelm II. He had already begun to give thought to some of the issues involved in the colonization of Palestine, writing in his diary in 1895: We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.9 Yusuf Diya would have been more aware than most of his compatriots in Palestine of the ambition of the nascent Zionist movement, as well as its strength, resources, and appeal. He knew perfectly well that there was no way to reconcile Zionism’s claims on Palestine and its explicit aim of Jewish statehood and sovereignty there with the rights and well-being of the country’s indigenous inhabitants. It is for these reasons, presumably, that on March 1, 1899, Yusuf Diya sent a prescient seven-page letter to the French chief rabbi, Zadoc Kahn, with the intention that it be passed on to the founder of modern Zionism. The letter began with an expression of Yusuf Diya’s admiration for Herzl, whom he esteemed “as a man, as a writer of talent, and as a true Jewish patriot,” and of his respect for Judaism and for Jews, who he said were “our cousins,” referring to the Patriarch Abraham, revered as their common forefather by both Jews and Muslims.10 He understood the motivations for Zionism, just as he deplored the persecution to which Jews were subject in Europe. In light of this, he wrote, Zionism in principle was “natural, beautiful and just,” and, “who could contest the rights of the Jews in Palestine? My God, historically it is your country!” This sentence is sometimes cited, in isolation from the rest of the letter, to represent Yusuf Diya’s enthusiastic acceptance of the entire Zionist program in Palestine. However, the former mayor and deputy of Jerusalem went on to warn of the dangers he foresaw as a consequence of the implementation of the Zionist project for a sovereign Jewish state in Palestine. The Zionist idea would sow dissension among Christians, Muslims, and Jews there. It would imperil the status and security that Jews had always enjoyed throughout the Ottoman domains. Coming to his main purpose, Yusuf Diya said soberly that whatever the merits of Zionism, the “brutal force of circumstances had to be taken into account.” The most important of them were that “Palestine is an integral part of the Ottoman Empire, and more gravely, it is inhabited by others.” Palestine already had an indigenous population that would never accept being superseded. Yusuf Diya spoke “with full knowledge of the facts,” asserting that it was “pure folly” for Zionism to plan to take over Palestine. “Nothing could be more just and equitable,” than for “the unhappy Jewish nation” to find a refuge elsewhere. But, he concluded with a heart-felt plea, “in the name of God, let Palestine be left alone.” Herzl’s reply to Yusuf Diya came quickly, on March 19. His letter was probably the first response by a founder of the Zionist movement to a cogent Palestinian objection to its embryonic plans for Palestine. In it, Herzl established what was to become a pattern of dismissing as insignificant the interests, and sometimes the very existence, of the indigenous population. The Zionist leader simply ignored the letter’s basic thesis, that Palestine was already inhabited by a population that would not agree to be supplanted. Although Herzl had visited the country once, he, like most early European Zionists, had not much knowledge of or contact with its native inhabitants. He also failed to address al-Khalidi’s well-founded concerns about the danger the Zionist program would pose to the large, well-established Jewish communities all over the Middle East. Glossing over the fact that Zionism was ultimately meant to lead to Jewish domination of Palestine, Herzl employed a justification that has been a touchstone for colonialists at all times and in all places and that would become a staple argument of the Zionist movement: Jewish immigration would benefit the indigenous people of Palestine. “It is their well-being, their individual wealth, which we will increase by bringing in our own.” Echoing the language he had used in Der Judenstaat, Herzl added: “In allowing immigration to a number of Jews bringing their intelligence, their financial acumen and their means of enterprise to the country, no one can doubt that the well-being of the entire country would be the happy result.”11 Most revealingly, the letter addresses a consideration that Yusuf Diya had not even raised. “You see another difficulty, Excellency, in the existence of the non-Jewish population in Palestine. But who would think of sending them away?”12 With his assurance in response to al-Khalidi’s unasked question, Herzl alludes to the desire recorded in his diary to “spirit” the country’s poor population “discreetly” across the borders.13 It is clear from this chilling quotation that Herzl grasped the importance of “disappearing” the native population of Palestine in order for Zionism to succeed. Moreover, the 1901 charter that he co-drafted for the Jewish-Ottoman Land Company includes the same principle of the removal of inhabitants of Palestine to “other provinces and territories of the Ottoman Empire.”14 Although Herzl stressed in his writings that his project was based on “the highest tolerance” with full rights for all,15 what was meant was no more than toleration of any minorities that might remain after the rest had been moved elsewhere. Herzl underestimated his correspondent. From al-Khalidi’s letter it is clear that he understood perfectly well that at issue was not the immigration of a limited “number of Jews” to Palestine, but rather the transformation of the entire land into a Jewish state. Given Herzl’s reply to him, Yusuf Diya could only have come to one of two conclusions. Either the Zionist leader meant to deceive him by concealing the true aims of the Zionist movement, or Herzl simply did not see Yusuf Diya and the Arabs of Palestine as worthy of being taken seriously. Instead, with the smug self-assurance so common to nineteenth-century Europeans, Herzl offered the preposterous inducement that the colonization, and ultimately the usurpation, of their land by strangers would benefit the people of that country. Herzl’s thinking and his reply to Yusuf Diya appear to have been based on the assumption that the Arabs could ultimately be bribed or fooled into ignoring what the Zionist movement actually intended for Palestine. This condescending attitude toward the intelligence, not to speak of the rights, of the Arab population of Palestine was to be serially repeated by Zionist, British, European, and American leaders in the decades that followed, down to the present day. As for the Jewish state that was ultimately created by the movement Herzl founded, as Yusuf Diya foresaw, there was to be room there for only one people, the Jewish people: others would indeed be “spirited away,” or at best tolerated. Yusuf Diya’s letter and Herzl’s response to it are well known to historians of the period, but most of them do not seem to have reflected carefully on what was perhaps the first meaningful exchange between a leading Palestinian figure and a founder of the Zionist movement. They have not reckoned fully with Herzl’s rationalizations, which laid out, quite plainly, the essentially colonial nature of the century-long conflict in Palestine. Nor have they acknowledged al-Khalidi’s arguments, which have been borne out in full since 1899. … * * * Extracted from the Introduction to The hundred years' war on Palestine: a history of settler colonial conquest and resistance by Rashid Khalidi

[Hamble]

It was perfectly clear, I stated it was an attack on an embassy in a third country. Totally against International Law!

Will Iran have to recognise Israel exists to complain?

[Alikado]

Will Iran have to recognise Israel exists to complain?

Probably not.

[shippy]

Probably not.

As you all know, Iran is using Syria as a Proxy to get closer to Israel’s border. They send rockets quite frequently into Israel. (Before all the war with Gaza)

It was like a cat and mouse game tit for tat.
The Iranians were dancing in the streets of Tehran yesterday , celebrating the firing of those missiles. I don’t think those people know the exact situation. But if those lies keeps them happy, so be it.


After the extensive firing of over 361 missile,( ballistic, cruise and heavily loaded UAVs) into Israel, was a very bad move on their part.

Thankfully, in order to stop a WW111 developing, those missiles were intercepted with the help of the RAF. ( my late Dad would be very proud, he worked for the RAF until his demise)

I sincerely pray that Israel will not respond to Iran,
In 1976 I was in Iran, it was such a lovely country. People were happy and not oppressed as it is today.
There is also a lot of Iranian students against the extremist ideology of the extremist Iranian government.
A lot of poverty in Iran. What a waste of money , those missiles must cost millions..

[The PNP]

As you all know, Iran is using Syria as a Proxy to get closer to Israel’s border. They send rockets quite frequently into Israel. (Before all the war with Gaza)

It was like a cat and mouse game tit for tat.
The Iranians were dancing in the streets of Tehran yesterday , celebrating the firing of those missiles. I don’t think those people know the exact situation. But if those lies keeps them happy, so be it.


After the extensive firing of over 361 missile,( ballistic, cruise and heavily loaded UAVs) into Israel, was a very bad move on their part.

Thankfully, in order to stop a WW111 developing, those missiles were intercepted with the help of the RAF. ( my late Dad would be very proud, he worked for the RAF until his demise)

I sincerely pray that Israel will not respond to Iran,
In 1976 I was in Iran, it was such a lovely country. People were happy and not oppressed as it is today.
There is also a lot of Iranian students against the extremist ideology of the extremist Iranian government.
A lot of poverty in Iran. What a waste of money , those missiles must cost millions..

Israel says it will launch reprisals, at a time of its choosing.....looks like we're in for an escalating series of tit-for-tat attacks after all. I just wish these people would reconcile their differences and make peace, but can't see that happening anytime soon.

[Hamble]

As you all know, Iran is using Syria as a Proxy to get closer to Israel’s border. They send rockets quite frequently into Israel. (Before all the war with Gaza)

It was like a cat and mouse game tit for tat.
The Iranians were dancing in the streets of Tehran yesterday , celebrating the firing of those missiles. I don’t think those people know the exact situation. But if those lies keeps them happy, so be it.


After the extensive firing of over 361 missile,( ballistic, cruise and heavily loaded UAVs) into Israel, was a very bad move on their part.

Thankfully, in order to stop a WW111 developing, those missiles were intercepted with the help of the RAF. ( my late Dad would be very proud, he worked for the RAF until his demise)

I sincerely pray that Israel will not respond to Iran,
In 1976 I was in Iran, it was such a lovely country. People were happy and not oppressed as it is today.
There is also a lot of Iranian students against the extremist ideology of the extremist Iranian government.
A lot of poverty in Iran. What a waste of money , those missiles must cost millions..

The IDF shot down rockets over Islam's most only site in Jerusalem The Al Aq-sa Mosque.

Relief it succeeded as Islamism propaganda circulates false information to Palestinian's every war that Israel is going to destroy it.That would have caused more escalation than any event.

[local]

No one in their right minds could defend Irans actions but it at least helps people see how bad they are and what a failure it was to appease them.


We were warned.

Biden was warned.

To think it used to be a much better place before the march of the Mullahs, could even have been described as friendly before 1979.


So often the term Islamaphobia is bandied about by the short thinkers when people highlight growing problems with the distortion of Islam that is masquerading as legitimate.

It's just so easy to affect outrage when people tell it as it is.

[sandGroundZero]

Israel orders eviction of Palestinian family from east Jerusalem property, reigniting a legal battle The money trail behind the Jerusalem eviction battle that sparked the latest Israeli-Palestinian violence, exposed