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17/04/2024 06:52 PM
#2581
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by shippy
As Golda Meir said in 1973, “for the Palestinians it’s not about land, it’s a case of eradicating Jews”.
Islamism has had this agenda for thousands of years. . It’s passed on from generation to generation.
Let’s face it, there will never be peace in the Middle East.
https://youtu.be/w3FGvAMvYpc?si=klo7IngyJf6rC3IS
Might interest you , this interview. Things haven’t changed. Oh, possibly that Islam has spread at a terrific pace, to most Western countries, including the UK.
That is quite a change. Can you imagine the UK being governed by a government of Mullahs.
Islam hasn't been around for thousands of years, hundreds yes, thousands no.
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17/04/2024 06:53 PM
#2582
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Hamble
Why cannot the racists just let Jewish people live in peace?
Why can't the Israelis let the Palestinians live in peace?
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17/04/2024 07:45 PM
#2583
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Alikado
Why can't the Israelis let the Palestinians live in peace?
What a callous and ignorant statement.
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17/04/2024 07:48 PM
#2584
European Parliament condemns incitement in Palestinian, UNRWA textbooks
EU legislature acknowledges link between October 7 atrocities and hateful content in educational materials used in Gaza, West Bank
https://www.timesofisrael.com/europe...d%20by%20UNRWA
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17/04/2024 07:55 PM
#2585
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Alikado
Why can't the Israelis let the Palestinians live in peace?
Probably when Palestinians allow Israelis to live in peace, however the avowed intent of Palestinians and supporters to eradicate Israel, doesn’t give much hope of peaceful coexistence.
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17/04/2024 10:02 PM
#2586
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Alikado
Islam hasn't been around for thousands of years, hundreds yes, thousands no.
I beg to differ., For 1600 years, the Islamic religion has been around.
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18/04/2024 05:28 AM
#2587
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by shippy
I beg to differ., For 1600 years, the Islamic religion has been around.
Founded in the year 610AD, When Muhammad was 40 years old, apparently. The 12 tribes of Israel, were descended from the Hebrew patriarch Jacob, more than 900 years BC. So the Old Testament tells us.
Just be yourself, no one else is better qualified!!
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18/04/2024 07:18 AM
#2588
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by shippy
I beg to differ., For 1600 years, the Islamic religion has been around.
That makes it Hundreds not Thousands.
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18/04/2024 07:58 AM
#2589
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Alikado
That makes it Hundreds not Thousands. ![Big Grin l](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Well Alikado , I’ll forgive you this time. . I’ll meet you half way. 1600
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18/04/2024 08:11 AM
#2590
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by shippy
Well Alikado , I’ll forgive you this time. ![Big Grin l](images/smilies/biggrin.gif) . I’ll meet you half way. 1600
You see peace is easy
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18/04/2024 08:18 AM
#2591
— is a recurring false equivalence ! Hamas, PIJ and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei might intend to "eradicate Israel".
To suggest it is widely true of "Palestinians and supporters" is slanderous and unworthy.
Justice — a Palestinian state or full civil and political rights in the Land of Israel /Palestine — is all most Palestinians desire. |
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18/04/2024 08:51 AM
#2592
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by sandGroundZero
Justice — a Palestinian state or full civil and political rights in the Land of Israel /Palestine — is all most Palestinians desire.
Agree...You couldn't even treat animals under your control like that in the UK, without intervention from the RSPCA: I.e. deliberately crowding them onto a small piece of land with little or no food or water. Where having become so malnourished, a percentage of creatures die from starvation.
On Yer Bike!
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18/04/2024 09:22 AM
#2593
Hamas threats to commit another October 7th attack on The State of Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJNccvNJtGk
https://www.ft.com/content/420fbea6-...e-0e7162aef436
Israel must win this war.
Independence for Palestine will never come through the crimes of Hamas
and PLJ lies antisemitism rape and torture and murder of Israeli's.
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18/04/2024 09:32 AM
#2594
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by sandGroundZero
— is a recurring false equivalence ! Hamas, PIJ and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei might intend to "eradicate Israel".
To suggest it is widely true of "Palestinians and supporters" is slanderous and unworthy.
Justice — a Palestinian state or full civil and political rights in the Land of Israel /Palestine — is all most Palestinians desire. |
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You reckon? There is no doubt that from the outset there have been outright attempts to remove the State of Israel, ranging from terrorist activity to invasion, as long as we have extremists pulling the strings sadly I can see no end.
No-one wants to see the destruction and deaths from the current conflict continue, but remember Israel didn’t create Gaza, it grew from being a refugee camp, with people fleeing conflict, in many cases as advised by nations hostile to Israel, this is as the advice given by Arab nations so that those Arab nations could destroy Israel while protecting non Israelis.
As we all know that plan failed miserably and fortunately most neighbouring nations came to realise that recognition and negotiation was a much better solution, there is so much chatter about Israel acknowledging the rights of Palestinians, when are the bad actors going to acknowledge the rights of Israel?
As ever there are rights and wrongs on both sides but the current trend for pointing the finger at Israel as the villain is misplaced and far from the whole story.
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18/04/2024 10:12 AM
#2595
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by silver fox
You reckon? There is no doubt that from the outset there have been outright attempts to remove the State of Israel, ranging from terrorist activity to invasion, as long as we have extremists pulling the strings sadly I can see no end.
No-one wants to see the destruction and deaths from the current conflict continue, but remember Israel didn’t create Gaza, it grew from being a refugee camp, with people fleeing conflict, in many cases as advised by nations hostile to Israel, this is as the advice given by Arab nations so that those Arab nations could destroy Israel while protecting non Israelis.
As we all know that plan failed miserably and fortunately most neighbouring nations came to realise that recognition and negotiation was a much better solution, there is so much chatter about Israel acknowledging the rights of Palestinians, when are the bad actors going to acknowledge the rights of Israel?
As ever there are rights and wrongs on both sides but the current trend for pointing the finger at Israel as the villain is misplaced and far from the whole story.
silver fox, your view of the history of the conflict between Zionism and the Palestinians it displaced and continues to dominate is too much influenced by the former's narrative.
A useful account of the conflict from the Palestinians' [as distinct from that of the neighbouring Arab countries] perspective is Rashid Khalidi's The Hundred Years' War on Palestine.
FYI the book is listed in the Liverpool library catalogue.
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