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    Sefton Council

    Sefton Council are not exactly the best business entrepreneurs are they? This is one that I did not know about, how many others are there? I thought the council were keen to maintain historic buildings - not ruin them.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...ty-16-20579398





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    Sefton Council have ruined this town, I wish we could go back to being in Lancashire, I hate being a part of Merseyside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanzone1 View Post
    Sefton Council have ruined this town, I wish we could go back to being in Lancashire, I hate being a part of Merseyside.
    How would being in Lancashire change anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanzone1 View Post
    Sefton Council have ruined this town, I wish we could go back to being in Lancashire, I hate being a part of Merseyside.

    I well go along with that! The local council does not have a clue about town planning for Southport. It is becoming a complete mish mash of everything seen in a third world town. - is it all as the rumours say, for backhanders and not for the benefit of residents and tourists? I have heard that it has become so bad here now that many of those who moved in from Liverpool are moving back to southern areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    How would being in Lancashire change anything?
    Being in Merseyside hasn’t helped Southport. Southport was better being associated with Lancashire, we have moved backwards as a town.

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    Arrow Confirmation bias?


    Quote Originally Posted by berk View Post
    Sefton Council are not exactly the best business entrepreneurs are they? This is one that I did not know about, how many others are there? I thought the council were keen to maintain historic buildings - not ruin them.

    Sefton like all Councils are expected to facilitate services. Also where possible, preserve heritage built environment. These may be behind the Echo article cited. In any case, there is a process through which the proposal will be scrutinized.

    The insistence that the Council is a variety of commercial enterprise, or that "entrepreneurs" are ideal Councillors (one of your recurring themes) reflects your bias; it's not a 'given '.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanzone1 View Post
    Being in Merseyside hasn’t helped Southport. Southport was better being associated with Lancashire, we have moved backwards as a town.
    So how would Southport move forward if it was in Lancashire in 2021?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post

    Sefton like all Councils are expected to facilitate services. Also where possible, preserve heritage built environment. These may be behind the Echo article cited. In any case, there is a process through which the proposal will be scrutinized.

    The insistence that the Council is a variety of commercial enterprise, or that "entrepreneurs" are ideal Councillors (one of your recurring themes) reflects your bias; it's not a 'given '.
    Apologies. Please consider my dislike a like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    So how would Southport move forward if it was in Lancashire in 2021?
    Well we couldn’t do much worse than being in Merseyside, Sefton Council have let this town go to ruin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    How would being in Lancashire change anything?

    Sarcasm! Liverpool is not recognised as being Lancashire, not because of its geographic status but more to do with its diaspora.

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    Sefton Council are to Business what Said is to science, out of their depth but not realising it.

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    Yea, what have the Romans, sorry, Sefton ever done for us.
    Well, let's see:
    historic stuff in Southport:
    Atkinson/Arts centre refurbished
    Town Hall looks in better condition than the one in Bootle,
    Pier rebuilt pretty well completely,
    Kings Gardens refurbished with new shelters,
    Marine Lake drained and dredged, new pathways and edging, new bridges at the southern end to replace the rotten ones.
    Market Hall refurbished.
    Lord Street gardens and Municipal Gardens refurbished after demolition of 1960s structures. New ( Victorian looking) bandstand installed.
    I also think that I'm right in saying that there was refurbishment of the lakes and pathways at Hesketh Park and Botanic Gardens, including the aviaries at the Botanic. However, recent austerity programmes have led to the the closure of the aviaries, and pretty well everything else in the parks.

    What did Southport Corporation do?
    Well, in my lifetime, not a lot.
    I have it on good authority (from the people who used to do it), that railings and shelters round Kings Gardens just used to be painted over, again and again.
    The Victorian bandstand and leafy gardens on Lord Street were swept aside, and replaced by a concrete fountain and 'modern' concrete planters and shrubs. Designed by an architect with links to John Poulson if I remember correctly.
    Birkdale Town Hall and the adjacent Carnegie Library were swept away to be replaced by a block of flats and parade of shops.


    Sefton's record on 'entrepreneurship' and saving historic buildings is not good...but Southport's done better than most places in the borough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snig's foot View Post
    Yea, what have the Romans, sorry, Sefton ever done for us.
    Well, let's see:
    historic stuff in Southport:
    Atkinson/Arts centre refurbished
    Town Hall looks in better condition than the one in Bootle,
    Pier rebuilt pretty well completely,
    Kings Gardens refurbished with new shelters,
    Marine Lake drained and dredged, new pathways and edging, new bridges at the southern end to replace the rotten ones.
    Market Hall refurbished.
    Lord Street gardens and Municipal Gardens refurbished after demolition of 1960s structures. New ( Victorian looking) bandstand installed.
    I also think that I'm right in saying that there was refurbishment of the lakes and pathways at Hesketh Park and Botanic Gardens, including the aviaries at the Botanic. However, recent austerity programmes have led to the the closure of the aviaries, and pretty well everything else in the parks.

    What did Southport Corporation do?
    Well, in my lifetime, not a lot.
    I have it on good authority (from the people who used to do it), that railings and shelters round Kings Gardens just used to be painted over, again and again.
    The Victorian bandstand and leafy gardens on Lord Street were swept aside, and replaced by a concrete fountain and 'modern' concrete planters and shrubs. Designed by an architect with links to John Poulson if I remember correctly.
    Birkdale Town Hall and the adjacent Carnegie Library were swept away to be replaced by a block of flats and parade of shops.


    Sefton's record on 'entrepreneurship' and saving historic buildings is not good...but Southport's done better than most places in the borough.
    For a start The Kings Gardens refurbishment was a lottery funding.

    Lord Street is in a mess with loads of empty shops.

    The beach needs a lot of work, it’s in a shocking state

    The train station is a disgrace and needs a total refurbishment, when you come to Southport your greeted to a station which is ugly and embarrassing, yes well done Sefton Council, not

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    For what it's worth

    We have two homes. One here and one in the Isle of Wight.

    They are in the same council tax band but the IOW rate is higher.

    We frequently compare what we get for our money and every time here comes out as better value.

    Believe me there is a mountain of criticism of the Tory IOW Council. The leader was voted out last week.

    Empty shops are a real shame but the council is low on the list of those responsible or who can change it.

    The station is an eye sore but that also is not the responsibility of the council.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddox View Post
    For a start The Kings Gardens refurbishment was a lottery funding.

    Lord Street is in a mess with loads of empty shops.

    The beach needs a lot of work, it’s in a shocking state

    The train station is a disgrace and needs a total refurbishment, when you come to Southport your greeted to a station which is ugly and embarrassing, yes well done Sefton Council, not
    The Kings Garden, Hesketh Park and the Atkinson refurbishments were all done with not only Heritage Lottery funding but various European Funding streams some for deprived areas which was not only a benefit of being in Europe but a benefit of being in Merseyside.

    How can the Council do anything about empty shops, it is beyond their control.

    The Railway Station has long required much work but again what can the Council do, it is down to the Landlords, Tenants and Network Rail, all the Council can do is improve the surrounding area. Oh that has been done and I wonder by who and I wonder where the funding came from?

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