E-Scooters - Would you use one?

[The PNP]

I said street crime, the Mr Bigs of criminals set out not to be seen at all.

Agree......But back to my original point, i.e. that cars are sometimes used by criminals and for criminal purposes. It would not make sense to ban cars for that reason, as doing so would deprive the majority of owners the use of their chosen mode of transport. By the same token, banning scooters because some are used by criminals, would deprive the majority of scooterists use of their chosen mode of transport.

As for MrBig. Unless he's turned into a hermit, he'll have transport needs just like the rest of us. And what use would all those illicit proceeds of crime be to him, if he were to forego the comfort and luxury of an upmarket car to get about in?

[local]

Went out in Liverpool saw many two up with drunks weaving in and out of traffic, as usual
the road and pavements figured in the falls I saw just like bike riders so many weren't wearing helmets

I suppose they will want dedicated lanes for those as well, with a rubber surface.

[Alikado]

West Midlands Police are having a week long campaign to take them off the streets, apparently only the official ones are legal in public and any privately owned ones can only be used on private land.

[said]

The e- scooters are used all over Europe. These scooters are faster than disability scooters and they do not take up as much space. Disability scooters driven by someone over the drink limit are as dangerous as an e-scooter. E-Scooters are great to use for commuting as they can move in very small spaces. As long as they are used responsibly they are a very safe mode of transport. Many of them have a full set of lights but they are designed more for pavement cycling.

As for 'getaways' for criminal gangs - I think you will find that there are a large number of gangs using the road scooters, not e-scooters, because you could easily tackle someone on an e-scooter, not so much on a faster vehicle.

The accidents described were caused by people who were not paying attention while riding them. Just like a bike, the scooter needs basic checks before setting out on it, and if a tyre on a bike went with a bang, you could stop immediately - just as you can on a scooter. In fact, teh e-scooter brakes are far more efficient than cycle brakes. I have seen several cyclists come off their bikes. Our roads are not as busy as London - so they were lucky. But they also were over, well over, the drink drive limit.

Cycles have been around in their present form for about fifty years now. These are as fast as an e-scooter, or they can be, and they are often ridden on pavements or shared paths, and cause more injuries than an e-scooter. An e-scooter can stop immediately, and there is less risk of injury to peoples legs than there is from a cycle.

It is a pity that each of these three forms of transport have not been examined and compared. The story may well be different. I have ridden one quite often. They are simple to use, highly economic and pollution free as well as being great fun.

[said]

Still, e-scooters do look fun! [/QUOTE]



The study is biased since there are no bench marks to use for comparison. The study also used far too few people to give a balanced review. For instance - how many pedestrians over the drink limit have accidents compared to those who use various forms of transport? It is the governments idea to hire the e-scooters out, when these reach the traveling distance of their hire period, the scooters are just abandoned anywhere. So how many people would fall over any object lying on a pathway - it does not have to be an e-scooter?

The speeds can be applied at will on a scooter simply by using a throttle. If this mode of transport was to become a regular item - there would be fewer accidents not more, because people would learn how to use them properly and be able to control them when they have gained experience. Hiring out thee e-scooters is a very bad idea because this one off short term use does not give people sufficient experience of using them, whereas ownership of an e-scooter allows people to practice first on their own land before even heading out into public. Also, those who have spent money purchasing them are not likely to want to see their property damaged, and would take greater care.

[Desert Region]

Went out in Liverpool saw many two up with drunks weaving in and out of traffic, as usual
the road and pavements figured in the falls I saw just like bike riders so many weren't wearing helmets

I suppose they will want dedicated lanes for those as well, with a rubber surface.

You foresee the rise of dedicated campaigners arguing for e-scooter lanes? With proposed e-scooter lanes running alongside cycle lanes?

[Alikado]

The e- scooters are used all over Europe. These scooters are faster than disability scooters and they do not take up as much space. Disability scooters driven by someone over the drink limit are as dangerous as an e-scooter. E-Scooters are great to use for commuting as they can move in very small spaces. As long as they are used responsibly they are a very safe mode of transport. Many of them have a full set of lights but they are designed more for pavement cycling.

As for 'getaways' for criminal gangs - I think you will find that there are a large number of gangs using the road scooters, not e-scooters, because you could easily tackle someone on an e-scooter, not so much on a faster vehicle.

The accidents described were caused by people who were not paying attention while riding them. Just like a bike, the scooter needs basic checks before setting out on it, and if a tyre on a bike went with a bang, you could stop immediately - just as you can on a scooter. In fact, teh e-scooter brakes are far more efficient than cycle brakes. I have seen several cyclists come off their bikes. Our roads are not as busy as London - so they were lucky. But they also were over, well over, the drink drive limit.

Cycles have been around in their present form for about fifty years now. These are as fast as an e-scooter, or they can be, and they are often ridden on pavements or shared paths, and cause more injuries than an e-scooter. An e-scooter can stop immediately, and there is less risk of injury to peoples legs than there is from a cycle.

It is a pity that each of these three forms of transport have not been examined and compared. The story may well be different. I have ridden one quite often. They are simple to use, highly economic and pollution free as well as being great fun.

Whilst mopeds have been used as a getaway transport for robberies and bag snatches etc that is on the streets where they don't look out of place but they are being increasingly used by the likes of Drug Dealers particularly in off street settings where they don't look out of place such as the Parks.

[MICK/GILLY]

I prefer electric bikes, I went everywhere on mine it was a massive one with 28” wheels. The speed they go is supposed to be only around 15 mph and that is regulated on some models by the throttle system knowing the size of the wheels so if you programme the system to think you have larger wheels they go super fast .

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[silver fox]

Easily fixed, put an age limit, licence requirement, and insurance on the things, currently they are used by anyone legally or illegally.

[Alikado]

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How much more evidence is required before they are banned?

[The PNP]

How much more evidence is required before they are banned?

With few exceptions, they've never been legal to use in public, so they are still 'banned'.......However, having a law against them is one thing - ensuring 100%
compliance is another.

[Hamble]

I prefer electric bikes, I went everywhere on mine it was a massive one with 28” wheels. The speed they go is supposed to be only around 15 mph and that is regulated on some models by the throttle system knowing the size of the wheels so if you programme the system to think you have larger wheels they go super fast .

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What a muppet!
I am not fond of cycling along canal paths on an electric bike.

[said]

How much more evidence is required before they are banned?[/QUOTE]


Each of those reports focus only on an e-scooters. If those accidents are compared to other modes of travel, you will find the actual scooter is very safe.

I find it hard to believe that criminals would use an e -scooter because it would only take one shove and they would come off of it, so it would be easy for a bystander or Policeman to stop them. Although, I have noticed some of the drug mules in town are using electric bikes.

Almost every one of those 'accidents' are due to the rider - not the scooter. If the e-scooters were used by owners instead of being hired out - then those using them would have more time to become familiar with them. Under sixteen's are not likely to be able to act responsibly with ANY form of transport.

[Desert Region]

I have noticed some of the drug mules in town are using electric bikes.

Wow!

[Hamble]

Wow!

Will the catcalls be updated to 'get off and pass it'?