Originally Posted by libraryguy

They're trying to restrict the road space for a majority mode of transport which will cause congestion, and give increased and exclusive use of road space to a minority mode of transport.

If I was in power and these cycle lanes were in force, I'd make sure they had face recognition CCTV and heavily fine any cyclist who does NOT use the cycle lane.

You said excluding. Now you’re saying restricting. Untwist your knickers and make your mind up.

Originally Posted by donkey22

You said excluding. Now you’re saying restricting. Untwist your knickers and make your mind up.

And you know perfectly well what I mean, but trying to split hairs to make your point, no matter how big the font you use!

Originally Posted by libraryguy

They're trying to restrict the road space for a majority mode of transport which will cause congestion, and give increased and exclusive use of road space to a minority mode of transport.

I think you'll find most cycle lanes between Ainsdale and Crossens are to be advisory. Which means cars can drive onto them as and when traffic conditions require it, just as cyclists can veer out into the main carriageway to get round cars parked on them.....Not by any definition exclusive for either mode of transport.

Originally Posted by The PNP

I think you'll find most cycle lanes between Ainsdale and Crossens are to be advisory. Which means cars can drive onto them as and when traffic conditions require it, just as cyclists can veer out into the main carriageway to get round cars parked on them.....Not by any definition exclusive for either mode of transport.

Well if that's how it's going to be I can agree with that, but shouldn't be like Hoghton Street.

Gosh I actually agree with PNP!!!

Originally Posted by The PNP

Ever heard of the expression: 'build it and they will come'?

Fact is, the motoring fraternity have had things all their own way for far too long. Moaning about bikes ridden erratically in the roadway, about bikes on pavements, etc.....Yet suggest getting bikes out of the way and onto their own little strip of tarmac - and motorists are up in arms about that too. They'll only ever be happy, when every last bike is left at home - quietly gathering dust at the back of the garden shed!

But you are a motorist, had you forgotten?

Nobodies stopping you from using the roads?

All anyone has complained about is you wanting an exclusive bit which no one else has and at great cost to both the taxpayer and the environment.

I manage fine, why can't you?

If your struggling why don't you have some cycling lessons?

Originally Posted by local

I manage fine, why can't you?

If your struggling why don't you have some cycling lessons?

Tbh, I can hold my own with the traffic when I'm on the bike. E.g. I'm perfectly able to get through Kew roundabout on it, where I keep a very keen eye on the cars and am ready to brake/swerve if someone doesn't see me - but it shouldn't be like that.

There are many riders who feel far less secure in traffic. Like old-timers, kids, housewives, family groups, people who've previously been knocked off/injured, etc. That's before you even start to count all those who have a bike and would be prepared to use it, but drive because they don't want to get hurt. Putting in safe cycle infrastructure is essential, if we're ever to see a significant increase in butts on bikes.

A cyclist is a disaster for the country's economy: he does not buy cars and does not borrow money to buy.

He does not pay for insurance policies.

He does not buy fuel, does not pay for the necessary maintenance and repairs.

He does not use paid parking.

He does not cause serious accidents.

He does not require multi-lane highways.

He does not get fat.


Healthy people are neither needed nor useful for the economy. They don't buy medicine. They do not go to hospitals or doctors. Nothing is added to the country's GDP (gross domestic product).

On the contrary, every new McDonald's restaurant creates at least 30 jobs: 10 cardiologists, 10 dentists, 10 dietary experts and nutritionists, and obviously, people who work at the restaurant itself."

Choose carefully: cyclist or McDonald's? It is worth considering.


P.S. Walking is even worse. Pedestrians don't even buy bicycles.

Originally Posted by The PNP

Tbh, I can hold my own with the traffic when I'm on the bike. E.g. I'm perfectly able to get through Kew roundabout on it, where I keep a very keen eye on the cars and am ready to brake/swerve if someone doesn't see me - but it shouldn't be like that.

There are many riders who feel far less secure in traffic. Like old-timers, kids, housewives, family groups, people who've previously been knocked off/injured, etc. That's before you even start to count all those who have a bike and would be prepared to use it, but drive because they don't want to get hurt. Putting in safe cycle infrastructure is essential, if we're ever to see a significant increase in butts on bikes.

With all the crap you post on here, I would guess that you spend the majority of your time “holding your own”.

Originally Posted by The PNP

Roads were created for the use of people to get from A to B - they were never intended to become linear car-parks!

I am delighted that perfectly good tarmac, which for years has been hogged by motorists leaving their bulky cars on, is actually reverting to its original purpose. In this instance, to allow more people to make their journeys safely by bike if they so wish......An excellent scheme, bring it on!

From that comment, I assume that when driving your smoky, cancer causing emissions vans and motor home, when you arrive at your destination, you simply fold them up and put them in your pocket so as not obstruct the road.

Originally Posted by The PNP

Ever heard of the expression: 'build it and they will come'?

Fact is, they've built cycle lanes on Hoghton St and Queens Rd and they (the cyclists) haven't come.

Adding more cycle lanes will make no difference. Even the cyclists on here, apart from you, think this scheme is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by justbecause

Not quite, the Government is making funds available for it, but individual Councils decide how to spend the money. Bootle Councillors have chosen to ignore the wishes of both Southport’s Councillors and residents, and are on a mission destroy the towns road infrastructure.

It only appears to be 3 Conservative Councillors opposing the lanes along with 2 of their candidates who failed to get elected.
They are the smallest party in Sefton and are in joint second place in Southport with the same number of councillors as Labour.
Their Facebook group opposing the cycles lanes has a membership of a few hundred (some of who agree with the lanes) out of a town population of over 90,000.

They can hardly claim to represent the will of the people.

Perhaps they should do something useful such as come up with some constructive ideas as to what this Conservative government funding for walking and cycling should be spent on instead.

Originally Posted by roving-eye

A cyclist is a disaster for the country's economy: he does not buy cars and does not borrow money to buy.

He does not pay for insurance policies.

He does not buy fuel, does not pay for the necessary maintenance and repairs.

He does not use paid parking.

He does not cause serious accidents.

He does not require multi-lane highways.

He does not get fat.


Healthy people are neither needed nor useful for the economy. They don't buy medicine. They do not go to hospitals or doctors. Nothing is added to the country's GDP (gross domestic product).

On the contrary, every new McDonald's restaurant creates at least 30 jobs: 10 cardiologists, 10 dentists, 10 dietary experts and nutritionists, and obviously, people who work at the restaurant itself."

Choose carefully: cyclist or McDonald's? It is worth considering.


P.S. Walking is even worse. Pedestrians don't even buy bicycles.

Economically illiterate nonsense. You think being a burden on the health service and causing accidents is good for the economy?

Originally Posted by Anon

A) Fact is, they've built cycle lanes on Hoghton St and Queens Rd and they (the cyclists) haven't come.

B) Adding more cycle lanes will make no difference. Even the cyclists on here, apart from you, think this scheme is ludicrous.

A) It doesn't work like that....Although I happen to have used Hoghton St (and Chapel St) on my way into town, I wouldn't go there simply to ride up and down one isolated piece of new cycle-route.

B) Adding more will make a difference, because they will then become part of a complete route. For the first time ever, people will be able to make properly useful North/South trips on a bike in relative safety. Previously, only the coastal route allowed that. And since not many people live along the Coast Road/Marine Drive, it wasn't the most practical solution for local residents.

Originally Posted by Anon

A) Fact is, they've built cycle lanes on Hoghton St and Queens Rd and they (the cyclists) haven't come.

B) Adding more cycle lanes will make no difference. Even the cyclists on here, apart from you, think this scheme is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by The PNP

A) It doesn't work like that....Although I happen to have used Hoghton St (and Chapel St) on my way into town, I wouldn't go there simply to ride up and down one isolated piece of new cycle-route.

B) Adding more will make a difference, because they will then become part of a complete route. For the first time ever, people will be able to make properly useful North/South trips on a bike in relative safety. Previously, only the coastal route allowed that. And since not many people live along the Coast Road/Marine Drive, it wasn't the most practical solution for local residents.

A) What do you mean 'it doesn't work like that'? You said 'build it and they will come'. I said 'they've built cycle lanes on Hoghton St and Queens Rd and they (the cyclists) haven't come.' Then you totally contradicted yourself by saying that's not how it works.

B) How many people want to cycle from Birkdale to Churchtown? Very few. And if they did, what's the shortest route? Via Eastbourne Rd and Cemetery Rd I would suggest. Cyclists aren't going to divert via town just to use cycle lanes.

Originally Posted by the pnp

tbh, i can hold my own with the traffic when i'm on the bike. E.g. I'm perfectly able to get through kew roundabout on it, where i keep a very keen eye on the cars and am ready to brake/swerve if someone doesn't see me - but it shouldn't be like that.

There are many riders who feel far less secure in traffic. like old-timers, kids, housewives, family groups, people who've previously been knocked off/injured, etc. That's before you even start to count all those who have a bike and would be prepared to use it, but drive because they don't want to get hurt. Putting in safe cycle infrastructure is essential, if we're ever to see a significant increase in butts on bikes.

Funny!