Thars nowt so queer as folk

[Desert Region]

The fashion sense of Liverpool people is secular.

Quaint and very Peter York!

[said]

The 1890s rang. They want their simple minded prejudices back.

Those prejudices have never left Liverpool, for heaven's sake! That is why the people refuse to change.

[silver fox]

Those prejudices have never left Liverpool, for heaven's sake! That is why the people refuse to change.

The prejudices aren’t in Liverpool, but alive and thriving in your head, before you say it have no connection with Liverpool.

[joan ofarc]

Quite a visionary your Dad, there certainly were groups of
burglars thieves call them what you will who used to get on the train at a station like Bootle Oriel Rd or Strand Rd and travel to Birkdale where there are no barriers for ticket inspection. They'd walk along Railway St to Southport.

The blokes at the then Crossing boxes Portland St Duke St Aughton Rd used to see them walking into town empty handed and come back later with full bin bags and place them over the wall onto the railway bank to pick up later. When they'd had their fill of other peoples possessions they'd walk back to Birkdale picking up their loot along the way. But unbeknown to them the Crossing Keepers had already alerted Police and they were in normally Aughton Rd crossing the nearest to Birkdale. They had colleagues along the line who boarded the train and collected the loot and the thieves.

Obviously now there are increasing numbers of CCTV Cameras so the closing of the Crossing boxes has been somewhat replaced.

I see urban myths are still alive and well (sigh).

[Snig's foot]

Interesting perceptions.

Here's some English cities, and some percentages.

For the years 1973 to date can you match the percentages of those years that the Labour party has controlled the city councils in those areas? (i.e. no overall control doesn't count.)

A=100%
B=85%
C=78%
D=73%
E=46%

The cities are Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham.

Can you match the cities to the letters A, B, C, D, E?
(do it without looking it up)

[said]

I see urban myths are still alive and well (sigh).

Myths?? Have you been spending time with Rip Van Winkle? I can assure you they are not myths, there are numerous witnesses and Police reports of these incidences - what's more they still go on!

[Snig's foot]

Interesting perceptions.

Here's some English cities, and some percentages.

For the years 1973 to date can you match the percentages of those years that the Labour party has controlled the city councils in those areas? (i.e. no overall control doesn't count.)

A=100%
B=85%
C=78%
D=73%
E=46%

The cities are Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham.

Can you match the cities to the letters A, B, C, D, E?
(do it without looking it up)

Disappointed that no-one has taken up my challenge...

[Alikado]

Myths?? Have you been spending time with Rip Van Winkle? I can assure you they are not myths, there are numerous witnesses and Police reports of these incidences - what's more they still go on!

Yeah, they use Guiness bottle labels for Tax Discs and the leccy goes off with the Street lights.

[bensherman]

Rather apt, I would say. There is a glaring difference between people from Liverpool and those of Southport. It is easy to see the differences. Reference to a political party is merely one of those character differences. Liverpool people have a completely different outlook on life - in a broad generality, they are more self centred, possibly because of the poverty in earlier days.

Let's be completely honest - Why are Liverpool people (in general) so unpopular everywhere? There is never anything said about Mancunians, or Welsh/Scottish/Irish people etc., for that matter.

They say that the Liverpudlians are the descendants of the Irish people who came over while Liverpool was enjoying a good economy - but the Irish are completely different to Liverpudlians. Those Irish people would not have been the Irish farmers or local workers - they would not have moved - so it must have been the transient Irish communities who came across, and they made up 25% of the Liverpool population. That would explain a lot.

It was during the eighteenth and nineteenth century that it was reported that the Irish immigrants were over represented in the criminal courts. Karl Marx, father of the Labour Party, said " Ireland constantly sent her own surplus labour to England, thus lowering the wages and the material morals of the English working class. It has created problems among unionist Labour workers and was an intentional outcome organised by the capitalists." The population of Ireland in the eighteenth century, was about eight million people and reduced by 1.5 million in just ten years. Over the next century - the population of Ireland was halved from 8 million to just 4.3 million.
Liverpool people rebelled against the immigration and there was a huge divide between the local and Irish people.


Those people educated in Liverpool have had a separate education to those of other regions. The social life of Liverpool is not the same as in Southport. The fashion sense of Liverpool people is secular.

For the first time ever - Southport has now been classed as one of the worst seaside resorts in the UK. Is this a coincidence?

The town has become so bad that even the vandals have moved out - there is nothing worth vandalising any more, they appear to have moved over to the Wirral. The greater number of Liverpool people, those who can afford to do so, seem to have moved out towards the more wealthy resorts of Formby and Crosby rather than Southport. So a desirable location is out!

I've seen some tosh from you but you have surpassed yourself.
I have moved house 13 times and never found out who the MP was beforehand.
That includes ending up in a constituency represented by Heseltine, Johnson and an utter nonentity who would be a perfect choice for Southport. Five years of Johnson as your MP prepare you for the utter shambles he has made of being PM

[Snig's foot]

Interesting perceptions.

Here's some English cities, and some percentages.

For the years 1973 to date can you match the percentages of those years that the Labour party has controlled the city councils in those areas? (i.e. no overall control doesn't count.)

A=100%
B=85%
C=78%
D=73%
E=46%

The cities are Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham.

Can you match the cities to the letters A, B, C, D, E?
(do it without looking it up)

I was trying to make a point here: that perceptions (prejudices) may not reflect reality.

Those cities:-
A=100%=Manchester
B=85%= Newcastle
C=78%= Leeds
D=73%= Birmingham
E=46% = Liverpool

In other words...Liverpool isn't always a Labour voting city. The comments you hear that 'It's always been Labour and left wing' are just prejudice from people who don't know the facts.

[said]

I was trying to make a point here: that perceptions (prejudices) may not reflect reality.

Those cities:-
A=100%=Manchester
B=85%= Newcastle
C=78%= Leeds
D=73%= Birmingham
E=46% = Liverpool

In other words...Liverpool isn't always a Labour voting city. The comments you hear that 'It's always been Labour and left wing' are just prejudice from people who don't know the facts.

OK - I get the point. I honestly did not realise the vote had dropped so much - but on second thoughts, this is the second time in recent years the council has been surrounded by corruption,. one would have thought there was no hope left for a council which can so easily be duped.

[seivad]

OK - I get the point. I honestly did not realise the vote had dropped so much - but on second thoughts, this is the second time in recent years the council has been surrounded by corruption,. one would have thought there was no hope left for a council which can so easily be duped.

I think that you're missing the point. Plus, in comparison to the years prior to 1973, the percentage of years that Labour has held Liverpool City Council since 1973 has increased.

Perhaps you believe that Liverpool has always been a Labour stronghold, but that is not the case. In the 20th century Conservatives ruled the roost. From 1900-1972 Conservatives held the majority for 83% of the time. Labour held power for a paltry 14% of those 72 years. No overall control held the balance of 3%.

Compare that with the 48 years since 1973. Conservatives have never held the Council. Labour has held it for 46% of the time. Lib Dems have held it for 25% of the time, and for 29% of the time there was no overall control. Labour has increased their years in power, but, more importantly, the figures demonstrate that for the past 121 years Liverpool has not always been a Labour voting city.

[sandGroundZero]

I think that you're missing the point. Plus, in comparison to the years prior to 1973, the percentage of years that Labour has held Liverpool City Council since 1973 has increased.

Perhaps you believe that Liverpool has always been a Labour stronghold, but that is not the case. In the 20th century Conservatives ruled the roost. From 1900-1972 Conservatives held the majority for 83% of the time. Labour held power for a paltry 14% of those 72 years. No overall control held the balance of 3%.

Compare that with the 48 years since 1973. Conservatives have never held the Council. Labour has held it for 46% of the time. Lib Dems have held it for 25% of the time, and for 29% of the time there was no overall control. Labour has increased their years in power, but, more importantly, the figures demonstrate that for the past 121 years Liverpool has not always been a Labour voting city.

An analysis by David Jeffery titled:

The strange death of Tory Liverpool: Conservative electoral decline in Liverpool, 1945–1996

…reveals patterns of support for Conservative and Labour parties in Liverpool.

Toryism in Liverpool had a long tradition of pandering to working class Protestants while Labour attracted the generally poorer Catholic voters. In this account, denominational affiliation overshadowed 'class politics ' by a considerable margin.