Trump And The Chaina Virus

[Desert Region]

As to Trump repeating the "Chaina Virus" claims, he is one of the few who actually saw the US intelligence to support his claim.

He was wrong to blurt it out in his inimitable style but removing the dislike of him from the equation he at least saw that intelligence and Fauci squirming like a stuck pig is at the least a pointer to what MAY have happened.

This ain't over.

One of the mantras of Forever-Trumpers everywhere still dreaming about over-turning the 2020 US Election result and longing for Trump 2024.

[local]

One of the mantras of Forever-Trumpers everywhere still dreaming about over-turning the 2020 US Election result and longing for Trump 2024.

You are obsessed with Trump why I don't know.

He was simply an inevitable blip in America's political history beaten by a dead in the water Biden who now struggles to string words together on many occasions.
That isn't much to boast about.

I have bought up his "Chaina Virus" claims because it has the legs he doesn't to develop as a news story he was shown the intelligence we weren't.

Fauci is clearly squirming on the head of a pin to distance himself.

[Desert Region]

You are obsessed with Trump why I don't know.

He was simply an inevitable blip in America's political history beaten by a dead in the water Biden who now struggles to string words together on many occasions.
That isn't much to boast about.

I have bought up his "Chaina Virus" claims because it has the legs he doesn't to develop as a news story he was shown the intelligence we weren't.

Fauci is clearly squirming on the head of a pin to distance himself.

I'd venture that my discussion of Trump on this thread of yours titled "Trump And The Chaina Virus" seems an action better described as inevitable rather than as obsessed.

[sandGroundZero]

Schema for introduction of SARS-CoV-2 through a laboratory incident (p. 119)

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In February and March of 2020 there was not much known about SARS-Cov-2. Not of course that the availability of reliable information ever deterred conspiracy theorists.
Regrettably for the prompt containment of the disease, President Trump determinedly promoted conspiracy when facts were in short supply.
If the virus was released from the Wuhan lab accidentally, or even intentionally, then the President's motivated diversions will have accidentally proven accurate. But, his deflections were in the face of scientific advice about the risks the virus posed. That was a monumental, calculated folly. His precious robust election year economy trumped prudence.

[local]

I'd venture that my discussion of Trump on this thread of yours titled "Trump And The Chaina Virus" seems an action better described as inevitable rather than as obsessed.

Why do you come over with the orange mist when Trumps name is mentioned?
the real story is the Virus he just happened to blurt out about "Chaina" after he had been shown some intelligence.

Try and think of him as being the spark that helped light the big fire.

[silver fox]

As to Trump repeating the "Chaina Virus" claims, he is one of the few who actually saw the US intelligence to support his claim.

He was wrong to blurt it out in his inimitable style but removing the dislike of him from the equation he at least saw that intelligence and Fauci squirming like a stuck pig is at the least a pointer to what MAY have happened.

This ain't over.

I would very much doubt that Trump saw any intelligence and if he did he wouldn’t understand it, you know very well Trump tried to stuff any and every government department with nodding dogs and lackeys, certainly many would like the origins of this virus traced, but crediting Trump with anything sensible or useful is an exercise in futility.

Currently many of Trump’s lackeys and allies are facing serious questions from the courts and before you say it, mainly in Trumpublican dominated states, eventually Trump should have questions to answer, hopefully with penalties to follow.

Truth eventually seems to find a way out.

[Alikado]

I would very much doubt that Trump saw any intelligence and if he did he wouldn’t understand it, you know very well Trump tried to stuff any and every government department with nodding dogs and lackeys, certainly many would like the origins of this virus traced, but crediting Trump with anything sensible or useful is an exercise in futility.

Currently many of Trump’s lackeys and allies are facing serious questions from the courts and before you say it, mainly in Trumpublican dominated states, eventually Trump should have questions to answer, hopefully with penalties to follow.

Truth eventually seems to find a way out.

Like all hoodlums and gangsters they'll get him on the tax.

[seivad]

I simply make the point that the divisive one pointed out the "chaina link" to the world, if he had followed it through at the time China might not have been able to clear up its tracks so well.

As to Trump repeating the "Chaina Virus" claims, he is one of the few who actually saw the US intelligence to support his claim.

There's a world of difference between actually seeing the intelligence and facts to support the man made virus/lab leak theory, and claiming it's true because that's what you want.

Bear in mind this is the man who says he is the rightful US President, and will win the Presidency again for the 3rd time in 2024. It's what he wants, so it's true.

Beginning early in 2020 Trump initiated several investigations. Not one of the investigations resulted in evidence to support either theory. I don't know how you missed the news at the time. It was quite comical... Trump claiming he had seen the evidence, while his intelligence agencies reported they had only found inconclusive and circumstantial evidence

The following link is one of numerous reports on the subject:

https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/trump-ad...062047744.html

'The Trump administration launched several separate investigations into the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, and former President Donald Trump and other senior officials pressed hard for evidence the virus escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Politico and The Washington Post reported Tuesday. But nobody was able to find more than inconclusive and circumstantial evidence. President Biden ordered a new 90-day review of the intelligence last month.

By Feb. 1, 2020, the U.S. government's top scientists and medical experts had determined China did not engineer the new coronavirus, National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins tells the Post. "I am not at all convinced that a natural origin is the only explanation; I've never been convinced," he said, but unless new evidence emerges, the coronavirus wasn't designed by humans.

On April 30, 2020, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence codified that view, saying in a statement the intelligence community "concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified," and would continue working "to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan."

That statement "angered some officials in the State Department who had wondered whether the virus was designed as part of a secretive Chinese bioweapons program," the Post reports. Trump immediately told reporters he was highly confident the virus came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but he was "not allowed" to say why. Privately, Trump "told aides that he believed the intelligence agencies had concluded that the virus came from the lab," the Post reports. "The agencies had never reached that conclusion."

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo claimed three days later there was "enormous evidence" COVID-19 came from a lab, stoking "confusion elsewhere in the administration among some officials investigating COVID-19's origins," Politico reports. "He wanted a smoking gun, and we couldn't give it to him," one former official told the Post. Pompeo told the Post last week he became convinced of the virus' lab origins by "the cumulative amount of evidence" and "the absence of evidence for other theories."

"We never got to a smoking gun," said Anthony Ruggiero, who led one of the Trump COVID-19 investigations at the National Security Council. "Had Trump officials found a smoking gun," current and former officials assured the Post, "they would have said so."

It's only recently that evidence has come to light that could possibly confirm the allegations. DR's link to The Bulletin appears to provide some compelling evidence, but I'm no expert.

[The PNP]

....It's only recently that evidence has come to light that could possibly confirm the allegations. DR's link to The Bulletin appears to provide some compelling evidence, but I'm no expert.

Fact: They were experimenting with Covid in a Wuhan lab.
Fact: The outbreak began in Wuhan.

If Covid didn't escape from that lab, it's an incredible coincidence that it appeared out of thin air in exactly the same place and at the same time. The Chinese may have covered their tracks, but so what. Personally, I'm convinced it came from that lab.

[local]

I would very much doubt that Trump saw any intelligence and if he did he wouldn’t understand it, you know very well Trump tried to stuff any and every government department with nodding dogs and lackeys, certainly many would like the origins of this virus traced, but crediting Trump with anything sensible or useful is an exercise in futility.

Currently many of Trump’s lackeys and allies are facing serious questions from the courts and before you say it, mainly in Trumpublican dominated states, eventually Trump should have questions to answer, hopefully with penalties to follow.

Truth eventually seems to find a way out.

Whatever you think of Trump I am sure he would understand the Virus came from X or not.

[local]

There's a world of difference between actually seeing the intelligence and facts to support the man made virus/lab leak theory, and claiming it's true because that's what you want.

Bear in mind this is the man who says he is the rightful US President, and will win the Presidency again for the 3rd time in 2024. It's what he wants, so it's true.

Beginning early in 2020 Trump initiated several investigations. Not one of the investigations resulted in evidence to support either theory. I don't know how you missed the news at the time. It was quite comical... Trump claiming he had seen the evidence, while his intelligence agencies reported they had only found inconclusive and circumstantial evidence

The following link is one of numerous reports on the subject:

https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/trump-ad...062047744.html

'The Trump administration launched several separate investigations into the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, and former President Donald Trump and other senior officials pressed hard for evidence the virus escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Politico and The Washington Post reported Tuesday. But nobody was able to find more than inconclusive and circumstantial evidence. President Biden ordered a new 90-day review of the intelligence last month.

By Feb. 1, 2020, the U.S. government's top scientists and medical experts had determined China did not engineer the new coronavirus, National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins tells the Post. "I am not at all convinced that a natural origin is the only explanation; I've never been convinced," he said, but unless new evidence emerges, the coronavirus wasn't designed by humans.

On April 30, 2020, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence codified that view, saying in a statement the intelligence community "concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified," and would continue working "to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan."

That statement "angered some officials in the State Department who had wondered whether the virus was designed as part of a secretive Chinese bioweapons program," the Post reports. Trump immediately told reporters he was highly confident the virus came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but he was "not allowed" to say why. Privately, Trump "told aides that he believed the intelligence agencies had concluded that the virus came from the lab," the Post reports. "The agencies had never reached that conclusion."

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo claimed three days later there was "enormous evidence" COVID-19 came from a lab, stoking "confusion elsewhere in the administration among some officials investigating COVID-19's origins," Politico reports. "He wanted a smoking gun, and we couldn't give it to him," one former official told the Post. Pompeo told the Post last week he became convinced of the virus' lab origins by "the cumulative amount of evidence" and "the absence of evidence for other theories."

"We never got to a smoking gun," said Anthony Ruggiero, who led one of the Trump COVID-19 investigations at the National Security Council. "Had Trump officials found a smoking gun," current and former officials assured the Post, "they would have said so."

It's only recently that evidence has come to light that could possibly confirm the allegations. DR's link to The Bulletin appears to provide some compelling evidence, but I'm no expert.

The Washington Post?

[sandGroundZero]

…
It's only recently that evidence has come to light that could possibly confirm the allegations. DR's link to The Bulletin appears to provide some compelling evidence, but I'm no expert.

Nicholas Wade's article of May 5, 2021 offers some circumstantial evidence suggesting that:

1. the US Institutes of Health and assorted academics might have wished to cover their tracks with respect of 'gain of function ' funding; and
   
2. the science was not clear-cut, e.g.
   
   "…this conclusion, grounded in nothing but two inconclusive speculations, convinced the world’s press that SARS2 could not have escaped from a lab."

President Trump's allegations with respect of the lab leak theory were doubly expedient for the President's purposes:

• it fit with his occasional, popular anti-China rhetoric; and
• it distracted attention from the President's indecisive, ambiguous response.

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If it turns out to be the case that the lab leak is in fact highly probable, that fact does NOT vindicate Trump's labelling SARS-Covid-2 "the China virus". Chinese scientists possibly doing 'gain of function' experiments funded by the US Institutes of Health in collaboration with American scientists is unsettling. However, antagonizing the Chinese government unnecessarily is counterproductive. US and western scientists must strive for Chinese scientists' cooperation. Climate change along with related issues portend calamitous disruption. Recklessness in international relations, especially between the world's two largest economies will have dire consequences.

It is difficult enough moderating authoritarian regimes' worst practices without former President Trump projecting his incomparable style of chaos into international relations. It is necessary to confront Chinese provocations -- human rights abuses; the East China Sea territorial overreach, etc. -- preferrably with careful diplomacy and encouragement of cooperation. It would be wise to view China as the complex nation it is; NOT the popular stereotype that it is a monolithic, irredemably retrograde entity.

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[silver fox]

Whatever you think of Trump I am sure he would understand the Virus came from X or not.

I said he wouldn't have seen INTELLIGENCE relating to the virus origins, he may have seen points for discussion, subjects in need of investigation, the thoughts of others, if he had any intelligence, it would have been shouted from the rooftops, it would have been passed to governments around the world, it wasn't, why was that? maybe because at that time there was no evidence.

Clearly he didn't understand what ever he saw, in his mind this was conclusive, it never was, if this is traced back to the lab, it won't be due to Trump.

I notice you complain about others affected by the orange mist when the name Trump is mentioned, hate to mention it, but you opened the thread with Trump's name first, don't get upset when you don't get the response you seek.

[local]

There are a lot of Journalists digging around Fauci.


In a newly resurfaced paper from 2012, Dr. Anthony Fauci argued that the benefits of gain-of-function research are worth the increased risk of a potential pandemic-causing lab accident.

The Weekend Australian unearthed a paper Fauci wrote for the American Society for Microbiology in October 2012 in which he argued in support of gain-of-function research. Such research involves making viruses more infectious and/or deadly. Experts have raised the possibility that the COVID-19 pandemic could have originated from a potential lab leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China, where gain-of-function experiments on bat coronaviruses have been conducted.

Despite the risks involved, Fauci called gain-of-function experiments “important work” in his 2012 writing:

In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place


https://nypost.com/2021/07/20/rand-p...against-fauci/

[Desert Region]

I notice you complain about others affected by the orange mist when the name Trump is mentioned, hate to mention it, but you opened the thread with Trump's name first, don't get upset when you don't get the response you seek.

Yes, it's about eight or nine months since Trump overwhelmingly lost the election and the Presidency, and here's local starting another thread about him. Yet if you mention Trump's name on this thread, still expect that local will accuse you of being obsessed with Trump. Local's irony bypass op was clearly a success and/or the fanboying/fangirling is unrelenting.

Point out to local that their claim about having given "little credit to Trumps virus handling there was certainly more wrong than right" is a ludicrous one as local has long staunchly defended Trump's virus handling at every turn, and then back this up by providing a link to a long thread with a through line of local doing exactly that; ask local for further detail regards the "Saint Obama" link they've positing; in each case to hear back from local the empty dodge that your points are "complete twaddle."

As I say, the orange fever dream and the Trump Veneration Syndrome are as powerful as ever in local. That fever dream and TVS ain't over.