Insulate Britain.

[silver fox]

When it comes to performance, it's not only about the stove itself, the installation/diameter of liner also plays a significant role. After your friends unsatisfactory experiences, I do wonder who installed/has been looking after them?

We have had no such issues with our installations. Possibly because we use a larger diameter of liner than is commonly fitted by our competitors, which gives a better draw. All our customers also receive five years free aftercare, which includes the regular sweeping, replacement of door seals if required and a full stove valet. If a stove ever became smoky, we'd soon know about it!

I take it your are going to tell us that your magic stoves produce no ash, that the wood you burn never sheds bits all over the place, that when you open the doors for cleaning or fuelling no smoke or fumes escape into the house.

Many years back our first central heating system was solid fuel, very efficient, using smokeless fuel, but no matter how good the stove is it still produced ash, opening the doors for fuel or cleaning always allowed a degree of dust, fumes or smoke to escape, now this appeared to be of little problem at the time, but when we moved to another house which had an oil fuelled boiler located outside, then we noticed the difference, the house was cleaner and fresher with no internal combustion going on, no carting fuel into the house, no dust or ash to be removed.

[The PNP]

I take it your are going to tell us that your magic stoves produce no ash, that the wood you burn never sheds bits all over the place, that when you open the doors for cleaning or fuelling no smoke or fumes escape into the house.

Wood ash presents no disposal problems provided you have a garden, as wood ash is a very good fertiliser. Only way a correctly installed stove will emit anything into a room, is if the stove door is 'flung' open. As doing so can momentarily suck material forwards.

Each to his/her own, I guess. Myself, I only lit mine when I got in this evening and the wall thermometer is already reading 28c. It's so hot in here, that I've had no option but to strip right down to underwear - again!

[Alikado]

Wood ash presents no disposal problems provided you have a garden, as wood ash is a very good fertiliser. Only way a correctly installed stove will emit anything into a room, is if the stove door is 'flung' open. As doing so can momentarily suck material forwards.

Each to his/her own, I guess. Myself, I only lit mine when I got in this evening and the wall thermometer is already reading 28c. It's so hot in here, that I've had no option but to strip right down to underwear - again!

Too much information, far too much!

[The PNP]

Too much information, far too much!

Lol!

[local]

Wood ash presents no disposal problems provided you have a garden, as wood ash is a very good fertiliser. Only way a correctly installed stove will emit anything into a room, is if the stove door is 'flung' open. As doing so can momentarily suck material forwards.

Each to his/her own, I guess. Myself, I only lit mine when I got in this evening and the wall thermometer is already reading 28c. It's so hot in here, that I've had no option but to strip right down to underwear - again!

Why don't you get a proper installer to teach you how to control the temperature?

[local]

So two simple questions;

which produces the most Co2 to give the same measured heat output?

Which produces the most pollution.

Did I miss the answer?

[silver fox]

Wood ash presents no disposal problems provided you have a garden, as wood ash is a very good fertiliser. Only way a correctly installed stove will emit anything into a room, is if the stove door is 'flung' open. As doing so can momentarily suck material forwards.

Each to his/her own, I guess. Myself, I only lit mine when I got in this evening and the wall thermometer is already reading 28c. It's so hot in here, that I've had no option but to strip right down to underwear - again!

Not talking about disposal, it's getting the crap out of the house and carting crap into the house,

[Nick2]

Not talking about disposal, it's getting the crap out of the house and carting crap into the house,

Why dont we just concede that PNPs woodheater maybe as carbon neutral as it is possible for a woodheater to be. Maybe then he'll concede that the vast majority of the many 1000s of others, are not.

[seivad]

Each to his/her own, I guess. Myself, I only lit mine when I got in this evening and the wall thermometer is already reading 28c. It's so hot in here, that I've had no option but to strip right down to underwear - again!

Now that the mind bleach has kicked in, I have a question. Do you have to suffer such a high temperature in one room in order to heat the whole house? At an indoor temp. of 28c I would be turning on the central air! What is the temperature in the other rooms?

Wood stoves have been used in Canada since the first settlers arrived. Nowadays they're still used a lot in rural areas. In urban areas they are used more as an aesthetic thing. I've been in some single story houses where the whole home is toasty from a wood stove in the basement and floor vents throughout the house. In other houses the temperature fluctuates, and outside of the living area rooms are much colder.

I think I'll stick with forced air gas heating and a well insulated house. It's almost 7.30 am here. The weather thingy reads 9c outside. When I went to bed the house was 22c. It's still a comfortable 21c right now, and I've not had to turn the heat on once this Fall.

[The PNP]

Now that the mind bleach has kicked in, I have a question. Do you have to suffer such a high temperature in one room in order to heat the whole house? At an indoor temp. of 28c I would be turning on the central air! What is the temperature in the other rooms?

I was aiming for 25c max, but didn't close the stoves vents as soon as I should have after lighting. That's the temp in living area, about 20ft from the stove. Of course the heat it generates, is encouraged to percolate through to reach sleeping area, which ends up feeling like about 20c (no thermometer in there).

[local]

Now that the mind bleach has kicked in, I have a question. Do you have to suffer such a high temperature in one room in order to heat the whole house? At an indoor temp. of 28c I would be turning on the central air! What is the temperature in the other rooms?

Wood stoves have been used in Canada since the first settlers arrived. Nowadays they're still used a lot in rural areas. In urban areas they are used more as an aesthetic thing. I've been in some single story houses where the whole home is toasty from a wood stove in the basement and floor vents throughout the house. In other houses the temperature fluctuates, and outside of the living area rooms are much colder.

I think I'll stick with forced air gas heating and a well insulated house. It's almost 7.30 am here. The weather thingy reads 9c outside. When I went to bed the house was 22c. It's still a comfortable 21c right now, and I've not had to turn the heat on once this Fall.

It's pretty clear he doesn't know what he's doing with his stoves and the inability to control the temperature does point to his ignorance as to the damage they are doing to the planet and peoples health.

[The PNP]

It's pretty clear he doesn't know what he's doing with his stoves and the inability to control the temperature does point to his ignorance as to the damage they are doing to the planet and peoples health.

It's been even hotter than that in here....My thermometer's max/min needles indicate we hit 40c sometime last Winter!

You have to remember that, unlike central heating, a stove has no roomstat/thermostat. Left to its own devices, the heat output will, in this particular case, reach and remain at 7kw (approx the same output as two gasfires on max).

[Stuartli]

It's been even hotter than that in here....My thermometer's max/min needles indicate we hit 40c sometime last Winter!

You have to remember that, unlike central heating, a stove has no roomstat/thermostat. Left to its own devices, the heat output will, in this particular case, reach and remain at 7kw (approx the same output as two gasfires on max).

In other words, a quite unnecessary waste of energy and valuable resources (i.e. trees).

Absolutely nothing of which to be proud.

[Kippax]

In other words, a quite unnecessary waste of energy and valuable resources (i.e. trees).

Absolutely nothing of which to be proud.

Solid fuel fires / heaters / boilers have little or no control of heat output unlike gas, oil or electric heaters / boilers that can regulate temperatures via a thermostat that controls the burner or on / off switch.

They are far less energy efficient as they produce more energy than required lots of wasted heat either up the flue or overheating the building.

[The PNP]

A) Solid fuel fires / heaters / boilers have little or no control of heat output unlike gas, oil or electric heaters / boilers that can regulate temperatures via a thermostat that controls the burner or on / off switch.

B) They are far less energy efficient as they produce more energy than required lots of wasted heat either up the flue or overheating the building.

A) Wrong.....Stoves have controls to regulate both air in and flue out, whereby heat output is determined. Where I sometimes slip up, is to go do something else after lighting the stove. Whereas, the stove needs 'turning down' after about 30mins, not only to save fuel but to prevent the room becoming too hot.

B) Not so. Modern stoves have an efficiency rating of 80%+. Compare that to a typical open fireplace, whose efficiency is a mere 30%. As for gas fires, anecdotally they are expensive to run, which tells me they aren't so efficient.