Insulate Britain.

[The PNP]

https://solartogether.co.uk/blog/do-...SAAEgLIlvD_BwE

As I've said before, solar isn't up to the job of providing space heating for a property. You'd need a massive array to achieve that, requiring far more space than the roof of a house. You'd also need a huge bank of batteries to store the solar for after dark, which themselves would cost a fortune.

[Nick2]

As I've said before, solar isn't up to the job of providing space heating for a property. You'd need a massive array to achieve that, requiring far more space than the roof of a house. You'd also need a huge bank of batteries to store the solar for after dark, which themselves would cost a fortune.

Rubbish. My solar panels (together with many thousands of other solar users here) gather enough energy for all my power needs, with any excess being sold back to our energy supplier. And don't make the mistake of thinking that this part of the world is anything other than a cool temperate zone, where solar panels still gather energy from the sun even on cold and cloudy days.

[Stuartli]

Rubbish. My solar panels (together with many thousands of other solar users here) gather enough energy for all my power needs, with any excess being sold back to our energy supplier.
And don't make the mistake of thinking that this part of the world is anything other than a cool temperate zone, where solar panels still gather energy from the sun even on cold and cloudy days.

The Environment Agency would hardly be likely to plan a solar panel farm adjacent to Crossens Pumping Station if The PNP's usual lack of knowledge is to be believed...

The Agency is planning to use the money that would be raised by selling the electricity produced to the National Grid, to help towards the cost of keeping the pumping station in operation, rather than keep putting off the intention of shutting it down.

The lives, safety and livelihoods of those who live on or around Martin Mere and close areas would not be put at risk as a result, if the scheme goes ahead.

[The PNP]

Rubbish. My solar panels (together with many thousands of other solar users here) gather enough energy for all my power needs, with any excess being sold back to our energy supplier. And don't make the mistake of thinking that this part of the world is anything other than a cool temperate zone, where solar panels still gather energy from the sun even on cold and cloudy days.

Nah, you don't seem to understand the problem. It's not about Voltage, it's about Wattage. See, my solar system (which btw I put in myself) can run tv, laptop, lighting, it's even powerful enough to handle the microwave and fridge, which is the only appliance that's on constantly. But all those devices are each rated in the hundreds of Watts. Whereas my heating requirement alone, is in the order of seven thousand Watts running 24/7 (output of the woodstove I have).

My present battery bank comprises seven one-hundred amp 12V deep-cycle gel batteries, connected in series-parallel, creating a 24V bank. My inverter (24V in, 240V out) is quite modest and rated at just 2Kw. Most people would have used a 3kw inverter for the job, but I deliberately kept it small, because I am able to manage my consumption carefully, always keeping it below 2kw.

To provide 7kw of heating 24/7 in the depths of winter (on top of my existing Wattage requirements) would mean installing a 10kw inverter. This would likely mean a battery bank equivalent to approx a hundred x 100A batteries. The solar array would then need to have about fifty large panels, to stand a chance of keeping that huge bank happy on our short (often cloudy) winter days......Btw, I do wonder how many panels you have?

[Nick2]

Nah, you don't seem to understand the problem. It's not about Voltage, it's about Wattage. See, my solar system (which btw I put in myself) can run tv, laptop, lighting, it's even powerful enough to handle the microwave and fridge (a fridge has a high start-up requirement).

But all those devices are each rated in the hundreds of Watts. Whereas my heating requirement alone, is in the order of seven thousand Watts (same rating as the woodstove I run).

My present battery bank comprises seven one-hundred amp 12V deep-cycle batteries, connected in series-parallel, creating a 24V bank. My inverter is modest (24V in, 240V out) and rated at just 2Kw. Most people would have used a 3kw inverter for the job, but I manage my consumption carefully, always keeping it below 2kw.

To provide 7kw of heating on top of my existing requirements, would mean installing a 10kw inverter. This would demand a battery bank equivalent to approx a hundred x 100A batteries. The solar array would then need to have about fifty large panels, to stand a chance of keeping the bank happy......Btw, I do wonder how many panels you have?

The technicalities are beyond me but I have 22 large panels which provide adequate power for all our needs. Including reverse cycle air conditioning which, of course provides more than adequate heating or cooling. The system was installed by the previous owners and works very well.

[Stuartli]

Nah, you don't seem to understand the problem. It's not about Voltage, it's about Wattage. See, my solar system (which btw I put in myself) can run tv, laptop, lighting, it's even powerful enough to handle the microwave and fridge, which is the only appliance that's on constantly. But all those devices are each rated in the hundreds of Watts. Whereas my heating requirement alone, is in the order of seven thousand Watts running 24/7 (output of the woodstove I have).

Nah, you don't seem to understand the problem (one you've made up as there was no mention of voltage)...

If someone says that his solar panels supply all his requirements, why attempt to dispute such a specific statement?

[The PNP]

The technicalities are beyond me but I have 22 large panels which provide adequate power for all our needs. Including reverse cycle air conditioning which, of course provides more than adequate heating or cooling. The system was installed by the previous owners and works very well.

Gosh, that's an awful lot of panels....I have never seen a house here with more than about a dozen and most have less. I currently have four (not roof-mounted). I also don't have reverse-cycle air conditioning. As I said in my previous post, I'd need about twice what you have, but where would I put them, not to mention where to locate a huge battery bank. The cost of the complete installation would be enormous. Each panel costs £250, each battery £120. Inverter and charge-controller would probably be over £1k. Chunky low Voltage cable isn't cheap either. I reckon I'd be looking at somewhere in the region of £25k!

[Nick2]

Nah, you don't seem to understand the problem (one you've made up as there was no mention of voltage)...

If someone says that his solar panels supply all his requirements, why attempt to dispute such a specific statement?

This discussion/argument has been going on with PNP for a year or two. With some posters having given up simply because he clearly refuses to consider the possibility that he could be wrong, which he is. I give up too.

[The PNP]

Nah, you don't seem to understand the problem (one you've made up as there was no mention of voltage)...

If someone says that his solar panels supply all his requirements, why attempt to dispute such a specific statement?

I do understand it very well indeed, right down to what every single electron is doing within the system....You see, for my 'previous life' in telecommunications, I spent years away from home studying for and gaining the professional qualifications my occupation demanded. Admittedly, I might be a little 'rusty' now, but still have a perfectly good grasp of basic principles.

[Stuartli]

This discussion/argument has been going on with PNP for a year or two. With some posters having given up simply because he clearly refuses to consider the possibility that he could be wrong, which he is. I give up too.

Discussions with The PNP on a range of subjects (well cycling, why all motorists are a menace to the world and that we're all doomed because of climate change) have, to the best of my knowledge, been going on for years and years and he still sticks to the same sad scripts....

Perhaps when he realises his time on the planet is not even equivalent to just a grain of sand of the combined totals in every desert in the world, we might instil some element of sense into him...

Same for the other fantasy member of the forum....

[The PNP]

This discussion/argument has been going on with PNP for a year or two. With some posters having given up simply because he clearly refuses to consider the possibility that he could be wrong, which he is. I give up too.

Wrong? I'd simply suggest you ask anyone within the solar industry, to confirm (or deny) that to provide a dependable 10kw/240V solar supply 24/7 year-round in the North of the UK, would take up a lot of space and cost in the region of £25k.

Whereas my stove installation set me back about £1k, my solar about £2.5.....I consider them both a worthwhile investment. As not only am I not adding to global CO2 emissions, but am no longer dependent on outside energy suppliers and free from all those pesky gas and electric bills.

[Stuartli]

Whereas my stove installation set me back about £1k, my solar about £2.5.....I consider them both a worthwhile investment. As not only am I not adding to global CO2 emissions, but am no longer dependent on outside energy suppliers and free from all those pesky gas and electric bills.

You've mischievously forgotten about your high emissions works vans...

[The PNP]

Discussions with The PNP on a range of subjects (well cycling, why all motorists are a menace to the world and that we're all doomed because of climate change) have, to the best of my knowledge, been going on for years and years and he still sticks to the same sad scripts....

Perhaps when he realises his time on the planet is not even equivalent to just a grain of sand of the combined totals in every desert in the world, we might instil some element of sense into him...

Same for the other fantasy member of the forum....

Imo, it's people who cling to their high-carbon lifestyles, ignoring the threat of a #hothouse earth, that are burying their heads in sand....When the rising sea begins to lap at doorsteps, it will be too late to act!

[The PNP]

You've mischievously forgotten about your high emissions works vans...

They perform a vital role in enabling our customers to become #carbon neutral with their domestic heating. Overall then, the world would be worse off without our vehicles. Which btw always pass their annual emissions test when they're MOT'd and are no more 'high emission' than any other average commercial vehicles in use around here.

[justbecause]

This discussion/argument has been going on with PNP for a year or two. With some posters having given up simply because he clearly refuses to consider the possibility that he could be wrong, which he is. I give up too.

PNP wrong? Don’t be silly.