Fuel shortages

[donkey22]

You didn't mention the army then?

I was presenting a fact, not an argument.
Petrol supply: Army put on standby to ease fuel crisis https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58713770

[gsgsgs]

To nullify your argument, Tesco Kew and Morrison's have had deliveries today.

The fuel "crisis" is almost 100 per cent down to the selfish behaviour of many motorists - there was no problem obtaining fuel before the start of Friday's disgraceful behaviour by many of them.

On Friday it was almost as if people had seen the early news and jumped in their cars and descended, normal start to the day then by 08:30am the chaos started.

[gsgsgs]

I don't see what use the army will be, tanker drivers are not just HGV drivers. They don't just arrive and leave the delivery for someone else to do, they do it and need the specialist training to do so.

[gsgsgs]

I was presenting a fact, not an argument.
Petrol supply: Army put on standby to ease fuel crisis https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58713770

I don't see what use the army will be, tanker drivers are not just HGV drivers. They don't just arrive and leave the delivery for someone else to do, they do it and need the specialist training to do so.

Sorry, hadn't read your link before posting, 150 trained tanker driver to be used.

[Stuartli]

I was presenting a fact, not an argument.
Petrol supply: Army put on standby to ease fuel crisis https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58713770

I'm perfectly aware of the situation with regard to the army. I pointed out that you didn't actually refer to your comment about that in your reply.

[Alikado]

Just imagine BP and others had huge stocks of old unleaded petrol which they had to get rid of before the new E10 rules fully kick in, how could they create a massive surge in demand to deal with that?

I would imagine that they would just add additional bio to the stock to bring it up to spec.

[donkey22]

I'm perfectly aware of the situation with regard to the army. I pointed out that you didn't actually refer to your comment about that in your reply.

What on earth are you wittering on about?
Try engaging your brain in future.

[Stuartli]

What on earth are you wittering on about?
Try engaging your brain in future.

Read your original comment again.....

[donkey22]

Read your original comment again.....

You’re making no sense whatsoever. Where was the argument I was supposedly presenting?

[local]

Try as hard as I can I can't shift the blame from the companies who have neglected their staff for years.


They have known for years about the looming crisis and ignored it then they flail around looking to blame anyone else.

This has happened across Europe, Poland has huge shortages, Germany has huge shortages and it's the result of exploiting workers and driving down wages and working conditions.

It's a shame the Labour Party abandoned workers years ago.

[Hamble]

Try as hard as I can I can't shift the blame from the companies who have neglected their staff for years.


They have known for years about the looming crisis and ignored it then they flail around looking to blame anyone else.

This has happened across Europe, Poland has huge shortages, Germany has huge shortages and it's the result of exploiting workers and driving down wages and working conditions.

It's a shame the Labour Party abandoned workers years ago.

UK drivers pay was lowered because of the competition with free EU
drivers.

I say good luck to UK resident drivers now time for their reward in wages.

[local]

UK drivers pay was lowered because of the competition with free EU
drivers.

I say good luck to UK resident drivers now time for their reward in wages.

Why bother training Uk workers and providing decent wages and conditions when you can outsource to low-wage countries.

Years of neglect are coming home to roost.

[said]

Try as hard as I can I can't shift the blame from the companies who have neglected their staff for years.


They have known for years about the looming crisis and ignored it then they flail around looking to blame anyone else.

This has happened across Europe, Poland has huge shortages, Germany has huge shortages and it's the result of exploiting workers and driving down wages and working conditions.

It's a shame the Labour Party abandoned workers years ago.

I take it you mean the shortage of lorry drivers? It is not even that according to the Truck Driver's site! The British truck drivers belong to a union which is not representative of the actual drivers themselves. They say that the union is a leftist union who were against leaving the EU because they lost money. The shortage of lorry drivers is propaganda spread by this union in order to ensure cheap labour is engaged from abroad, This means that British lorry drivers are forced to accept less pay, while having to pay for the higher cost of living in the UK due to being undercut by transient foreign labour.

British workers, in particular the lorry drivers have and are being treated abominably. They work unsociable hours, often away from home and families for days on end, have to abide by the tachograph legislation (i.e. Big Brother) etc., The drivers have to keep to a strict schedule, if they get held up in traffic and arrive late at the loading bay, they are told they will have to wait as they have missed their slot, which makes them late for the rest of the day. There are very few 'Truck Stops' in the UK to allow lorry drivers to rest up, and a meal and a shower can cost as much as £40. If a lorry driver inadvertently bends the rules in trying to keep to schedule - he is responsible for his own fines. All for basic pay??

When the European drivers became employed in the UK, thy were told to become self employed and set up as one man companies. Every single expense they had while in the UK was offset against their taxes as a business expense. These drivers took full advantage of all the loans available to set up a business, including vehicles, staff etc., as well as the Covid bounce back loan. When it came time to start to repay these loans - they suddenly decided that they did not like working in the UK and returned immediately to their home countries, leaving the British tax payer to pick up their debts.

Many of the overseas drivers, unused to the strict routine of the UK - were found to be driving under the influence of illegal drugs in order to stay awake. Several of the overseas drivers had been given a HGV license in their own country by driving farm vehicles on a farm only. Employers were instructed to test all drivers to check for drug use after so many accidents on the roads.

The prevalence of illegal drugs to the UK increased considerably under the Freedom of Movement, and the black markets flourished in alcohol, arms and drugs. In Poland for instance, there are stricter controls on illegal drugs - if users are found smoking on the streets, they are automatically given a prison sentence. In the UK the rules are far more relaxed.

Many of the overseas people have now returned home - not purely because of Brexit - but because of the legislation associated with Freedom of Movement. Overseas people who were living in the UK had not taken out British citizenship. I am given to understand that this meant that they did not have to pay full taxes from their employment to the UK. The government now required all those who wanted to live in the UK must take out British citizenship and would then be liable to pay full taxes. Since their own countries had received huge grants from the EU, far more than had been paid in - each of their home countries offered far better employment, so they went back home. But the main reason many left was the introduction of IR35 where self employment under a company umbrella meant more taxes had to be paid.

[said]

Try as hard as I can I can't shift the blame from the companies who have neglected their staff for years.


They have known for years about the looming crisis and ignored it then they flail around looking to blame anyone else.

This has happened across Europe, Poland has huge shortages, Germany has huge shortages and it's the result of exploiting workers and driving down wages and working conditions.

It's a shame the Labour Party abandoned workers years ago.

The increase in costs and lower employment are the results of a Free market.

"There's a good reason why almost all major economies abandoned free market economics. It's that such economies didn't and couldn't avoid mass unemployment." The economist.

The unemployment in the EU is at the highest levels it has ever been.

Essentially, the EU is said to be a free market - but it is not exactly, because it employs protectionism. Without the necessary regulations trade becomes a survival of the fittest, and companies disregard health and safety so that they can increase profits. Look how industrial injuries increased under the EU. Most obvious was the fact that wealth was not evenly distributed - a minority gained greatest wealth at the expense of a majority in poverty. That was evident by the number of foodbanks that sprung up, and even then - the EU was awarding huge grants to the companies distributing to the food banks instead of giving the poor more money. With produce there was overproduction that created transitions between recession and growth and huge wastage that led to an increase in prices, just for pure greed. Even the agricultural policy put thousands out of work.

[local]

Unemployment across the whole of the European Union remains high in 2021, in the wake of the Coronavirus pandemic and subsequent lockdowns enforced by national governments. Among European countries, Greece is currently suffering the worst unemployment rate at 15.1 percent, followed by Spain at 15.1 percent while Czechia has the lowest unemployment rate in Europe, at 2.8 percent.


We are around 4%

The EU is a construct of international companies its supporters fooled into supporting them.

As the Socialist worker put it;


The European Union is a bosses' club—and can't be reformed


Thats the socialist worker not the rabid right as some would have you believe.


Workers across Europe have paid for the disastrous EU membership with lower wages.

When the Labour Party wakes up to why their support has tanked and why many traditional working class supporters couldn't stand their lies anymore swallowed their distaste and voted Conservative.

Brexit with the right leader might be the best gift Labour ever had.