Project Fear - duh!

[Little Londoner]

That all depends on what you call a short ride? I have travelled to Liverpool, Blackpool and Ormskirk and back - a good few times for work - several cyclist do.

As have I, I wonder what is the point of posting when I have said that I used to ride to jobs on a daily basis in rain snow and hail and glorious sunshine I know Basil doesn't read anything that contradicts him but don't you start. And even worse my two elder brothers who were both apprentices in different trades in the building industry used to have to push loaded handcarts all over Southport finishing a job in Crossens and the next job perhaps in Ainsdale.

As I have said many times in my cycling days going out in the evening and riding to Parbold and climbing Hunters Hill, Stoney Lane or Parbold hill or any two of them plus the climb up to Dalton would be a "short ride". Riding out to Brock completing a 25 mile time trial then riding to Walton le Dale for a breakfast and then riding back through Eccleston Parbold Dalton to Southport was nothing out of the Ordinary. Similarly riding to Wavertree Park for a circuit race in the Park and then riding back afterwards was a short ride. Blackpool was a doddle flat as a pancake.

[donkey22]

Daily Mail buries poll showing voters have turned against Brexit.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...brexit-295935/

On the plus side at least 64% of daily mail readers are a little bit more progressive than they used to be. Such a shame this is how it had to happen though.

[local]

Yep that's it we better go back in, hopefully on much worse terms.


The EU is doing so well with any luck we will soon get our unemployment up to their levels


https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/


How about Ford Halewood great news or is that not allowed.

[Toodles McGinty]

Daily Mail buries poll showing voters have turned against Brexit.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...brexit-295935/

On the plus side at least 64% of daily mail readers are a little bit more progressive than they used to be. Such a shame this is how it had to happen though.

Perhaps they've noticed that any time we need to progress as a nation, it is at a cost of 'suspending' or 'delaying' anything to do with Brexit.

Irish border? Er...we'll talk about that later. Lack of workers? Oh, well we'll give the furriners visas for a while. First drivers, then farm labourers, builders, electricians, care workers, nurses, doctors. Cabotage? Er...we'll just relax those rules...

In fewer than 30 days border controls will begin for food and drink arriving into Great Britain from the EU.

There are further controls being introduced in January and March.

What's the betting they'll be 'delayed'?

Johnson seems to be incrementally getting Brexit undone. I thought he said he'd rather be 'dead in a ditch' than delay Brexit?

Shouldn't he just be a muddy corpse by now?

[local]

Just in case anyone missed it ;

Article 16 allows either party to undertake unilateral safeguarding measures if the protocol leads to “serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties that are liable to persist, or to diversion of trade”.


And just to remind those with blinkers that was agreed by both the EU and the UK.

The grownups realised that unravelling 40 years needed some pragmatism.


Its clear those who have never been in business wouldn't understand.

[silver fox]

Just in case anyone missed it ;

Article 16 allows either party to undertake unilateral safeguarding measures if the protocol leads to “serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties that are liable to persist, or to diversion of trade”.


And just to remind those with blinkers that was agreed by both the EU and the UK.

The grownups realised that unravelling 40 years needed some pragmatism.


Its clear those who have never been in business wouldn't understand.

Suggest you read the FULL text and implications of Article 16, then comment.

[said]

Daily Mail buries poll showing voters have turned against Brexit.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...brexit-295935/

On the plus side at least 64% of daily mail readers are a little bit more progressive than they used to be. Such a shame this is how it had to happen though.

Don't know where they get that figure from - must be their weird reader audience. The greater majority know full well that the EU must stop interfering with UK politics, though it has not happened yet, they still have their sticky fingers in the pie.

ANDREW ADONIS, the chair of Euromove and House of Lords Peer, has been slammed by Twitter users after posting a poll suggesting "Britain wants to Exit from Brexit", with one social media user suggesting he should "get out more!" Daily Express

[Alikado]

Don't know where they get that figure from - must be their weird reader audience. The greater majority know full well that the EU must stop interfering with UK politics, though it has not happened yet, they still have their sticky fingers in the pie.

ANDREW ADONIS, the chair of Euromove and House of Lords Peer, has been slammed by Twitter users after posting a poll suggesting "Britain wants to Exit from Brexit", with one social media user suggesting he should "get out more!" Daily Express

They obviously commissioned a poll, if they had invented the results it would have been the other way around.

[Toodles McGinty]

Don't know where they get that figure from - must be their weird reader audience. The greater majority know full well that the EU must stop interfering with UK politics, though it has not happened yet, they still have their sticky fingers in the pie.

ANDREW ADONIS, the chair of Euromove and House of Lords Peer, has been slammed by Twitter users after posting a poll suggesting "Britain wants to Exit from Brexit", with one social media user suggesting he should "get out more!" Daily Express

I would suggest the UK should stop interfering in the EU. Their third country rules are clear. We're a third country. We can't just have the bits we like, such as tariff free imports and exports, but reject that we don't.

We're out, get on with it. It's costing £800m a day to piffle about on treaties we had no intention of honouring. We wanted out, so get out and take the consequences.

We're like a jealous crying toddler who wants presents when it's someone else's birthday. Accept it, take what's coming. It's what you voted for.

[local]

Suggest you read the FULL text and implications of Article 16, then comment.

What are you having difficulty with?

[silver fox]

What are you having difficulty with?

I don’t have a difficulty, Article 16 is not some get of jail card free, it isn’t and was never intended to be, the article commits both sides to work together to resolve any issues, only in time of a crisis can either side simply override the contract and even then crisis over and everyone returns to previously agreed terms.

I might also remind you that both sides have committed to protecting the protocol regarding NI, you clearly seem to think that we can act as we wish with no repercussions, that simply isn’t the case, unless of course you tear up the agreement and function with no agreement with the EU.

[The PNP]

We're like a jealous crying toddler who wants presents when it's someone else's birthday. Accept it, take what's coming. It's what you voted for.

Brexit - the can of worms that keeps on giving!

[said]

They obviously commissioned a poll, if they had invented the results it would have been the other way around.

You can hold a poll with just two people. But ten minimum usually. Figures and graphs are commonly misrepresented in the media.

[said]

I don’t have a difficulty, Article 16 is not some get of jail card free, it isn’t and was never intended to be, the article commits both sides to work together to resolve any issues, only in time of a crisis can either side simply override the contract and even then crisis over and everyone returns to previously agreed terms.

I might also remind you that both sides have committed to protecting the protocol regarding NI, you clearly seem to think that we can act as we wish with no repercussions, that simply isn’t the case, unless of course you tear up the agreement and function with no agreement with the EU.

Mmmh! The Northern Ireland issue was left open, sort of - the Government is now making changes to the original arrangement with the EU on this.

[local]

I don’t have a difficulty, Article 16 is not some get of jail card free, it isn’t and was never intended to be, the article commits both sides to work together to resolve any issues, only in time of a crisis can either side simply override the contract and even then crisis over and everyone returns to previously agreed terms.

I might also remind you that both sides have committed to protecting the protocol regarding NI, you clearly seem to think that we can act as we wish with no repercussions, that simply isn’t the case, unless of course you tear up the agreement and function with no agreement with the EU.

That's what they are doing.

It does not set the previous agreement in stone as obviously, that would mean some "fixes" could only be temporary.

Don't forget the EU triggered 16 over covid vaccines.

Anyone who thinks 40 years can be unravelled in one cast in stone agreement is clearly irrational.

As I have always said it will require constant attention.

The EU has suggested changing part of the Brexit deal that specifically covers Northern Ireland. Both sides agree it has problems.

Both sides signed it.

Despite the anti-government rhetoric, the reality is as said both sides see issues that need fixing.

It has to be remembered that this agreement was not given the time it should have due to the anti-democracy activities from the many subversives who would not accept they had lost the intellectual argument.

They still haven't, and snipe at any opportunity,
imagine if they were honourable and had accepted the outcome of the referendum and worked for our country instead of against it.

Too many are still pulling the wrong way.