Project Fear - duh!

[duncet]

- And when our country is bankrupt because of the huge amounts to be spent in saving the World from climate change, will that also be blamed on Brexit?

[Ceam]

I wonder... will we have to wait for a generation to die before we stop hearing that Brexit is to blame for everything?
I notice that BBC desperately asking every contributor to discussions on almost any subject 'Is it caused by/made worse by/ the result of Brexit?' The usual answer is that it is a factor but not the only one.
So, will remoaners ever accept that Brexit is a thing that is here to stay and that they would rather see the country fail than admit it?

Asking for a friend.

Don't think anyone thinks it not here to stay. We are just reaping the lovely benefits of it now.

I own a small engineering business, Material cost have rocketed some by over 100% in the last year, delivery times have lengthened. Buying even basics like aluminium bar has become quite a challenge.

Last time I asked a supplier he was explaining to me the cost of a 20ft container being brought into the country from mainland Europe used to be £1,000 that same container now cost £6,000. That was a few months ago and I am of the understanding things have got even worse.

If you think we are in as mess now, give it another 12 month or so when inflation hits the roof because everything has gone up in price.

Everyone thinks it's great wages are going up in certain sectors. Haulage being the latest trend. Yes it is for those getting the extra money, But where do you think that money comes from?

You know who it's going o hit the hardest? Those on fix income. You know who a large majority of those are? Pensioner. A driving force in pushing Brexit through. So I guess if they live long enough they will get their comeuppance.

Rant over, peace out....

[joan ofarc]

So, judging from the replies:

* Brexiteers are stupid (a regular theme during the discussions pre- Brexit) and this from the same people who claim to be on the side of the workers, and all for democracy)

*There is still a belief that either Brexit hasn't really happened or it will be reversed. Hmmm, where have I heard that sort of thing before? Oh yeah, Trump is still the President and he will return in glory.

* It's OK to actively work against Brexit because of 1 and 2 above. Let's analyse the motivations of the haulage industry, the leak from a cabinet meeting etc and think about whose ends this sort of thing meets.

*We're all doomed, we live in a failed state, everywhere else in the world is doing great. The sky is falling in and cats and dogs are living together, Oh my.

I know, let's have another referendum.

[local]

It's definitely all the fault of Brexit no matter what it is and if we had stayed behind the EU Pearly Gates there would be no supply chain problems at all.

There's no shortages of parts and Lorry Drivers in the EU and gas is half the price.

BBB Better blame Boris.

[Toodles McGinty]

So, judging from the replies:

* Brexiteers are stupid (a regular theme during the discussions pre- Brexit) and this from the same people who claim to be on the side of the workers, and all for democracy)

There is no economic sanity to Brexit. As we are seeing now. As for the 'workers', why aren't they flooding en masse to all the jobs that 'foreigners' were taking? Being on the side of the workers surely means having a strong economy? Or do you still see sunlit uplands soon? In a decade? Two?

*There is still a belief that either Brexit hasn't really happened or it will be reversed. Hmmm, where have I heard that sort of thing before? Oh yeah, Trump is still the President and he will return in glory.

Is there? I haven't read that once on here, but I'd be grateful if you'd point out the posts that do. It hasn't finished, we've still got a few red letter days to go. Further self imposed restrictions on trade. More red tape. I believe the government have delayed them, thankfully, but they will come. You've got the Brexit you voted for. No reversals, no takey-backs.

* It's OK to actively work against Brexit because of 1 and 2 above. Let's analyse the motivations of the haulage industry, the leak from a cabinet meeting etc and think about whose ends this sort of thing meets.

How can anyone, but the government - who are all in for the hardest Brexit going - actively work against it? There's nothing we can do, there's no process to work against Brexit. It's here. You won, remember? Article 50 passed. We left. The details might be ongoing, but we are no longer in the EU.

However, I don't recall them passing any law that outlaws opinion. Any more than discussing the ins and outs of a Liverpool v Everton derby is verboten. 'Politics' - citizens. Discussion, whether it is regarding parties, Brexit, taxes, is a basic right of a citizen. It affects every part of our lives. I can only suggest those who no longer wish to discuss it should look elsewhere, click on another page.

*We're all doomed, we live in a failed state, everywhere else in the world is doing great. The sky is falling in and cats and dogs are living together, Oh my.

Again, if you could point out any posts that actually say those things, that would be great. The implication is that remainers are catastrophising. But we've only discussed those things that have actually happened. Of course, if your perception is that we're all doing just fine, as always you've every right to that opinion.

[local]

Well, Brexiters were warned time-and-again by the remain side, of what lay ahead if we left the EU....Shortages of products, shortages of workers, etc.

Now that the Brexit chickens (turkeys) are coming home to roost, leavers are casting about for any lame excuse. E.g., it's Covid to blame. Better try again, because Covid is in Holland, Germany etc, too. However, you won't find many EU shelves half-empty, or their motorists stranded without fuel and unable to get to work!

Sorry Euro Dunce;

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lation-squeeze

[silver fox]

It's definitely all the fault of Brexit no matter what it is and if we had stayed behind the EU Pearly Gates there would be no supply chain problems at all.

There's no shortages of parts and Lorry Drivers in the EU and gas is half the price.

BBB Better blame Boris.

Don't try to say that Brexit has improved anything, quite the opposite, Brexit has sorely aggravated a poor situation, plus you know full well that Brexit has more nasties to deliver yet, to date I've not seen the slightest sign of any improvement due to Brexit.

You cry better blame Johnson, why not? after all he was the loud mouth shouting let's get Brexit done, he won the election on that and now we are stuffed, can't be reversed, can't pretend it never happened, we are stuck with it.

[Toodles McGinty]

Sorry Euro Dunce;

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lation-squeeze

Desperate.

Nobody is saying that the entire world isn't suffering the economic impact of Covid.

We're discussing the self-imposed suffering from Brexit. In the article you linked to, it says for France, Germany and the rest of the EU, the economy is recovering. Our economic outlook is dire.

Gas is much less than half the price in Europe.

We are ready to call on the army for just about everything, from delivering fuel to stocking supermarkets.

Anybody but Boris, right?

My God, you've fallen hard for your boy, haven't you?

[Hamble]

Desperate.

Nobody is saying that the entire world isn't suffering the economic impact of Covid.

We're discussing the self-imposed suffering from Brexit. In the article you linked to, it says for France, Germany and the rest of the EU, the economy is recovering. Our economic outlook is dire.

Gas is much less than half the price in Europe.

We are ready to call on the army for just about everything, from delivering fuel to stocking supermarkets.

Anybody but Boris, right?

My God, you've fallen hard for your boy, haven't you?

We Brits had the choice Brexit or Brexit plus a black hole.

I still would have voted Tory.

[silver fox]

We Brits had the choice Brexit or Brexit plus a black hole.

I still would have voted Tory.

We know that some would vote Tory or Labour for that matter, even if the candidate was a chimp wearing the right rosette, but surely voting for what is best for the country should be the decision to make.

Brexit is looking more and more like a populist vote without thought of the consequences, just as Remainers indicated all along

[donkey22]

Maybe Brexit is going to be the great innovative push in the end. The UK will turn to electric vehicles faster than most other countries at this rate with the fuel crisis.

[Toodles McGinty]

We Brits had the choice Brexit or Brexit plus a black hole.

I still would have voted Tory.

I can't imagine you'd vote any other way, regardless of policy, personnel or populism.

But, as we've gone over a thousand times, it wasn't about left or right, most of the Cabinet at the time was firmly in the remain camp. There were prominent leavers on the left.

There was no reason for Brexit until rich people realised the EU was going to clamp down on their tax avoidance, and Cameron shat himself at the thought of losing a few seats to UKIP.

So the Leave campaign appealed to the most base instincts of elderly Brits. All the foreigners taking jobs, millions of Turks flocking here, all those unelected bureaucrats (which we then employed to negotiate a God-awful agreement that they now want to change), this bizarre idea of 'sovereignty' that most people hadn't heard of, and that we had in abundance within the EU anyway. And loads more that we're all bored of reading.

There is no economic reason that any intelligent person can put forward for walking away from the biggest market in the world, just a few miles from our doorstep. The rest is just bull conjured up by Leave, who ran a very good campaign, BTW.

[local]

A pathetic attempt to blame worldwide supply problems on Brexit, you lost the intellectual argument stop whining.

Is it perfect no.

Will it get better, yes.

Are the EU being a pain yes, but let's be frank we knew that, its one of the reasons why the intelligent ones wanted to leave.

Will you carry on blaming everything on brexit you can, of course but as before the referendum the majority face it, think your wrong.

Its like some bitter ex who can't get on with their lives, yawn.

[Toodles McGinty]

Are the EU being a pain yes, but let's be frank we knew that, its one of the reasons why the intelligent ones wanted to leave.

Right. That must be it. Or:

Multiple sources have found a correlation between having a higher level of education and voting 'remain', as well as a correlation between having lower educational level and voting 'leave'. YouGov found that, among those who voted in the referendum, 68% of voters with a university degree voted 'remain', whereas 70% of voters educated only to GCSE level or lower voted 'leave'. Similarly, Curtice reports that "university graduates voted by around three to one in favour of Remain, whereas nearly four in five of those without any educational qualifications voted to Leave".

University of life, I presume.

Odd how those so determined they 'won' bristle at any deliberation of the situation, instead of just moving on to another thread. You won, it's all down to you. Own it.

While those of us still interested in the ongoing situation that affects all our lives can discuss politics of the day.

Seems some are trapped in amber on the day of the referendum, as though that's the only important political event that's ever happened, and nothing came afterwards. Very odd. Like one of those Japanese soldiers stuck in the jungle for 40 years, convinced the world is still fighting WW2.

It was 5 years ago, try and keep up.

[seivad]

Is there? I haven't read that once on here, but I'd be grateful if you'd point out the posts that do. It hasn't finished, we've still got a few red letter days to go. Further self imposed restrictions on trade. More red tape. I believe the government have delayed them, thankfully, but they will come. You've got the Brexit you voted for. No reversals, no takey-backs.

Delayed under the pretext that they don't want to risk further delays/shortages due to the implementation of border checks. The real reason is that they still don't have the infrastructure in place at border points. From what I can see, they haven't even got beyond the planning stage. Very convenient, but surely the majority of the public can see that it's a big fat lie?

It's ironic that Brexit has resulted in UK exports having to comply with EU import controls, while imports from the EU sail free and clear across the UK border! At some point the piper must be paid, until then it's impossible to arrive at the economic impact due to trading with the EU under the terms of the Brexit agreement. Delaying the inevitable gives the appearance that the government knows it won't be a favourable impact, but, whatever it is, at some point they have to own it.

Strange that there's been no objection raised by any of the other countries the UK imports goods from. You're effectively favouring the EU above other countries... and that's a violation of WTO rules.