Sarah Everard's killer gets whole life sentence

[Kippax]

A despicable crime and a despicable human being, condolences to Sarah’s family and friends.

While the sentence was correct in as much as he will never be released and will die in jail the cost of keeping him, probably in a secure / segregated unit is worrying.

Costs vary wildly from prison to prison but figures between £25k - £80k per prisoner per year are quoted for “normal” prisoners, so if he is put in a special unit I’m sure those figures would rise steeply.

He’s 48 and we don’t know how many years he has left, but if we say 30 years at a very conservative £75k per year that’s £2.25 Million of mine and your money, not allowing for inflation.

As far as I’m concerned he lost all of his human rights when he committed those heinous crimes if he is to be kept in jail for the rest of his life he shouldn’t be allowed the likes of TV, Computer, Internet etc and his existence should be pretty basic.

[Styx]

A despicable crime and a despicable human being, condolences to Sarah’s family and friends.

While the sentence was correct in as much as he will never be released and will die in jail the cost of keeping him, probably in a secure / segregated unit is worrying.

Costs vary wildly from prison to prison but figures between £25k - £80k per prisoner per year are quoted for “normal” prisoners, so if he is put in a special unit I’m sure those figures would rise steeply.

He’s 48 and we don’t know how many years he has left, but if we say 30 years at a very conservative £75k per year that’s £2.25 Million of mine and your money, not allowing for inflation.

As far as I’m concerned he lost all of his human rights when he committed those heinous crimes if he is to be kept in jail for the rest of his life he shouldn’t be allowed the likes of TV, Computer, Internet etc and his existence should be pretty basic.

Gets my vote.

[seivad]

What is the point of a "whole life sentence" are we saying reform doesn't work?

Dumb question, but you already know that. We are saying that there is no chance of reforming killers like Couzens. He's wired wrong . If ever he was released, he couldn't help but reoffend.

If so we have just sentenced him to a slow death in Prison.

He's been sentenced to what will hopefully be a long life. A life that will most certainly be a lonely and miserable existence. Ultimately he should die a natural death. All alone with the knowledge that nobody will grieve for him. A just sentence and end to the life of a man who took the life of a lovely young woman in the prime of her life in such a horrendous way. A man who, following Sarah's murder, went about his life in the normal way as if nothing had happened. Contrition is something this man is incapable of.

If you believe in letting the rest of the prison have access to him then you believe in capital punishment, why not say so.

I can't see the point in him or his life.

I agree with you on your first point. You can't have it both ways. If you're against state sanctioned killing, how can you advocate keeping the likes of Couzens in the general population in the hope that he will be killed by his fellow inmates?

He exists, and as the law stands, he must be punished for his crime.

The point of the rest of his life is that it will be spent in misery. To the people who say that life in jail is too comfortable, think on it. The loss of liberty is a terrible thing. Even if you were confined in a 5 star luxury hotel, can you imagine enjoying being confined in it for every single day of the rest of your life? Multitudes of people complained about being confined to their homes during Covid lockdowns. Presumably most were comfortable, and a large number would be with family members. Yet they still hated it. Now imagine this for the rest of your life, and compare that to being imprisoned in a jail.

The law is about justice, not revenge. States attempt a humane way to execute criminals, although I might dispute their success in achieving this. How can you be against this, yet want to read about a prisoner torn limb from limb by other prisoners? It's barbaric.

He has done great damage to so many and further made women feel even more unsafe.

Thankfully he is an exception and I do not believe the overwhelming majority of Police have anything but contempt for him and his actions.

Yes, he's an exception to the majority, but he's not alone when it comes to men in positions of trust who abuse women, and children too.

Women and children have always been the prey of the very people we would normally put our trust in. Priests, teachers, doctors, dentists etc. have all used their positions of trust to abuse us. Those with such proclivities are drawn to careers which will give them the trust of society and easy access to their victims of choice.

I don't know why you think that Couzens has made women feel more unsafe. As evidenced on a Q thread at the time, women's fear runs deep and is longstanding. Dark and lonely streets will always frighten us. It's hard to explain how we feel when we hear footsteps behind us, turn around, and see it's a man. By virtue of our physical limitations we know we don't stand a chance of defending ourselves. It can be terrifying. I don't know how anything can make us feel less safe than we already do.

[joan ofarc]

Seivad says:

Yes, he's an exception to the majority, but he's not alone when it comes to men in positions of trust who abuse women, and children too.


Totally agree with this but the sad and infuriating fact is that men don't even need to be in a position of trust or authority because, to such men, the simple fact of being a man makes them superior.
The case of the teacher recently brutally murdered is a case in point. We don't know all the facts but the guy arrested was not a policeman etc but by all accounts worked in a lowly position. Maybe he felt inferior and wanted to take it out on a woman. If that is the case women can't win - fair game for both the superior and inferior men who inhabit the same space as them.

I think society must get to grips with the male psyche and intervene when necessary. If incels were prescribed a course that would give them some help in presenting themselves better and interacting with women on an equal footing we could avoid a lot of problems in the future. There used to be youth clubs where the rough edges could be knocked off spotty herberts.
Women are more sexually available now than at any time in history so men must be taught how to navigate this new reality. We really must initiate radical changes if women are ever to be safe and it must come from men too.

[Hamble]

A despicable crime and a despicable human being, condolences to Sarah’s family and friends.

While the sentence was correct in as much as he will never be released and will die in jail the cost of keeping him, probably in a secure / segregated unit is worrying.

Costs vary wildly from prison to prison but figures between £25k - £80k per prisoner per year are quoted for “normal” prisoners, so if he is put in a special unit I’m sure those figures would rise steeply.

He’s 48 and we don’t know how many years he has left, but if we say 30 years at a very conservative £75k per year that’s £2.25 Million of mine and your money, not allowing for inflation.

As far as I’m concerned he lost all of his human rights when he committed those heinous crimes if he is to be kept in jail for the rest of his life he shouldn’t be allowed the likes of TV, Computer, Internet etc and his existence should be pretty basic.

Without TV and internet he would not be reminded of his terrible crimes.

[Kippax]

Without TV and internet he would not be reminded of his terrible crimes.

I think he’ll have plenty of time to reflect on what he’s done with no other distractions.

I don’t see how letting him have access to TV and internet would remind him of his crimes while he’s watching Coronation Street, Match of the Day or Strictly Come Dancing.

[Hamble]

I think he’ll have plenty of time to reflect on what he’s done with no other distractions.

I don’t see how letting him have access to TV and internet would remind him of his crimes while he’s watching Coronation Street, Match of the Day or Strictly Come Dancing.

There will be documentary and news reports for years to come.
Interviews of those involved and those who knew him once.

Questions in Parliament.
Law amendment petitions pleas and pressure groups.
Netflix crime series and continued mention of his and the forces failures
at every future failure.

If he does not watch entertainment he will never experience the pang of
only imagining that beer with the match or craving from a food advert.

[Kippax]

There will be documentary and news reports for years to come.
Interviews of those involved and those who knew him once.

Questions in Parliament.
Law amendment petitions pleas and pressure groups.
Netflix crime series and continued mention of his and the forces failures
at every future failure.

If he does not watch entertainment he will never experience the pang of
only imagining that beer with the match or craving from a food advert.

There is also a off button that he can press if he chooses not to watch the above programs.

[jamyramy]

am concerned at the lack of consideration of the mental influences and mention of some of the current training /conditioning courses that many of those in uniform are partaking in these days,i definatly have never trusted a serving officer for several years now,dont considr any protectors of the people these days.

[Hamble]

There is also a off button that he can press if he chooses not to watch the above programs.

True.
He will still know his despicable crimes will be aired and commented on in
newspapers.

[Grassroots2]

So you believe in capital punishment but vicariously.

I follow your sentiment but wish people would be more open.

Yes I would be in favour of capital punishment ,
And lm not ashamed to admit it . How much more open do you want me to be . Now give us what your thoughts are regards people being murdered on our streets . Young women being raped and murdered . Children being groomed and sexually and violated.

[local]

I agree as I said I see little point in his life as by whole life tariffs the courts see no value in the system trying to reform him.


There is the problem though that countries like the US still have plenty of murderers and child molesting scum.


For too long we have accepted women feeling afraid to go out that is unacceptable.

The problem starts well before the Courts and Police are involved we can't blame them for everything they just clear up society's mess.

We can't expect the Police to be on every street, premises, bus,home,workplace etc.

We are all responsible if only because we don't do anything to stop the rot and expect the very Police some condemn to do it.

[said]

While I am happy about the verdict, as far as I am concerned, every convicted murderer should receive a whole life sentence without any chance of parole. Anyone who deliberately takes another persons life should forfeit their own. I believe there is no 'accidental murder', only different degrees of manslaughter, so there should only be one sentence.

He has been sent to the USA to keep him anonymous from criminal society.

[said]

I agree as I said I see little point in his life as by whole life tariffs the courts see no value in the system trying to reform him.


There is the problem though that countries like the US still have plenty of murderers and child molesting scum.


For too long we have accepted women feeling afraid to go out that is unacceptable.

The problem starts well before the Courts and Police are involved we can't blame them for everything they just clear up society's mess.

We can't expect the Police to be on every street, premises, bus,home,workplace etc.

We are all responsible if only because we don't do anything to stop the rot and expect the very Police some condemn to do it.

Er! Women have been screaming and hollering for equality - so why should they be in fear when going out? Now they have been given that equality they are equal to their male counterpart. So they should also be equal in standing up for themselves. But you are saying that they are not equal - which is it to be? you can't have it both ways.

[gsgsgs]

While I am happy about the verdict, as far as I am concerned, every convicted murderer should receive a whole life sentence without any chance of parole. Anyone who deliberately takes another persons life should forfeit their own. I believe there is no 'accidental murder', only different degrees of manslaughter, so there should only be one sentence.

All sentences should be carried out in full, people say if there is no chance of parole then prisoners won't behave. Simple solution to this if you don't behave you get time added, so if you want to be released when your sentence is over you behave, if not you stay locked up.