Another one.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Grassroots2]

Another met officer has been charged with rape.!!!!!

[Taxi Driver]

Sadly, there won't be many professions in the country where a sex offender, rapist or murderer doesn't belong to.

[Toodles McGinty]

Another met officer has been charged with rape.!!!!!

From the same unit as Couzens, according to the Telegraph.

Grim.

From the cradle, we are taught by our mothers and grandmothers to avoid this, avoid that, but trust a policeman.

So what do we do, who do we trust now?

Excellent piece by Marina Hyde on this. I agree with every word.

[Grassroots2]

From the same unit as Couzens, according to the Telegraph.

Grim.

From the cradle, we are taught by our mothers and grandmothers to avoid this, avoid that, but trust a policeman.

So what do we do, who do we trust now?

Excellent piece by Marina Hyde on this. I agree with every word.

Yes toodles its getting more difficult to have the trust we used to have . I'm of an age group which grew up with respect fo one another and certainly the police .
Example , I'd been to tesco yesterday and was walking home along the rear entrance to tesco , I noticed some youths Male and female as I approach the group one of the males about 15 said to me " can I have a quid ", I said pardon and he repeated " can I have a quid" . I gave him a glare and was met with a load of abuse from the whole group. Needless to say I just walked away to a terrade.
Just an example of how young people view seniors these days.

[Kippax]

At this stage, he has only been charged, so let’s not hang him just yet.

[Toodles McGinty]

Yes toodles its getting more difficult to have the trust we used to have . I'm of an age group which grew up with respect fo one another and certainly the police .
Example , I'd been to tesco yesterday and was walking home along the rear entrance to tesco , I noticed some youths Male and female as I approach the group one of the males about 15 said to me " can I have a quid ", I said pardon and he repeated " can I have a quid" . I gave him a glare and was met with a load of abuse from the whole group. Needless to say I just walked away to a terrade.
Just an example of how young people view seniors these days.

That's horrible. Sorry you had that experience. Sadly it is all too common these days. I'm not quite 'senior' yet, but not far off. If I'm approaching a group of teens, I get that sinking feeling, wondering if I'll get verbal abuse, or worse. Of course 99% of the time I don't, but the expectation is there.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, the collective IQ of this country is dropping. The lack of respect for others is dreadful. Not simply the attitude of men to women, but anyone to basically everyone.

They are in the minority, very much so. But empty vessels and all that.

[joan ofarc]

I've just read the excellent Guardian article and was struck by the call to DO SOMETHING which women everywhere will surely agree with. But schools already do great work in this area, at least they do in Primary schools. Secondary schools are another matter altogether and I speak from experience that in the corridors and playgrounds it's like stepping back 50 years.

I'm afraid it is women who must do the work to start with and I do see a lot of women who have no idea how they play into the misogyny. Let me give you two examples.
An acquaintance of mine with three girls moved to Australia and the girls met boys as is usual. In the school the two oldest attended it was common practice for girls to be 'branded' as being the property of their boyfriend who also attended the school. It wasn't just as romantically simple as 'wearing his ring'. .It was hands off to everyone else and so she basically became his property. The mother was telling me this with pride, as if her daughters had achieved something special. When I said that the cause of women's liberation had been set back 30 years she couldn't understand what I meant.
Another example: a family of mother, father and three boys. The mother was pretty and dressed to display her assets beautifully. High heels, high hair etc. I have no problem with that except to wonder who exactly she thought she was pleasing. The dynamic within the family was very demeaning to the mother as a woman. It was all done with affection but it was along the lines of 'She's really ditzy', 'oh no, mum's driving!', ' She looks good but she's a terrible cook'. Lots of eye rolling and shared glances between 'the boys'. And this woman loved every minute of it. Now what message is that giving to her sons and how will they interact with women in the future?
There are so many layers to this problem that I really can't see a way out. But definitely women are going to have to go through the whole . 'bloody women' scenario again and kick up a fuss until girls and boys learn to have respect for themselves and each other.

[donkey22]

At this stage, he has only been charged, so let’s not hang him just yet.

Fewer than 1 in 60 recorded rapes ends up with a charge being brought against the alleged rapist. The CPS obviously believe there’s a good chance of a successful prosecution if it’s got this far.

[Toodles McGinty]

I've just read the excellent Guardian article and was struck by the call to DO SOMETHING which women everywhere will surely agree with. But schools already do great work in this area, at least they do in Primary schools. Secondary schools are another matter altogether and I speak from experience that in the corridors and playgrounds it's like stepping back 50 years.

I'm afraid it is women who must do the work to start with and I do see a lot of women who have no idea how they play into the misogyny. Let me give you two examples.
An acquaintance of mine with three girls moved to Australia and the girls met boys as is usual. In the school the two oldest attended it was common practice for girls to be 'branded' as being the property of their boyfriend who also attended the school. It wasn't just as romantically simple as 'wearing his ring'. .It was hands off to everyone else and so she basically became his property. The mother was telling me this with pride, as if her daughters had achieved something special. When I said that the cause of women's liberation had been set back 30 years she couldn't understand what I meant.
Another example: a family of mother, father and three boys. The mother was pretty and dressed to display her assets beautifully. High heels, high hair etc. I have no problem with that except to wonder who exactly she thought she was pleasing. The dynamic within the family was very demeaning to the mother as a woman. It was all done with affection but it was along the lines of 'She's really ditzy', 'oh no, mum's driving!', ' She looks good but she's a terrible cook'. Lots of eye rolling and shared glances between 'the boys'. And this woman loved every minute of it. Now what message is that giving to her sons and how will they interact with women in the future?
There are so many layers to this problem that I really can't see a way out. But definitely women are going to have to go through the whole . 'bloody women' scenario again and kick up a fuss until girls and boys learn to have respect for themselves and each other.

Incredible, isn't it?

My sister's step-daughter recently declared her son was going to grow up to be a 'proper Wythenshawe bloke', which basically means he'll grow up to be a criminal who might not punch the mother of his kids if he's in a good mood.

Before anyone jumps in to defend folk from the area, I'm more than aware they are majority decent folk. But this particular gem of a mother is a druggie who has had the lad taken off her a dozen times. So because of her attitude, her poor son hasn't a dog's chance. And neither will any woman he comes across.

Her late mother would be horrified at this, as is my brother in law. It starts somewhere. In this case, environment and neglect. And a woman, worst of all.

I'm not saying that all misogynists or abusers have bad mothers. Obviously not. Some are reared to think they can be king of the world, and are entitled to the attention of women. Smothering can be as counterproductive as neglect. But a little help from other women might go a long way.

[silver fox]

Incredible, isn't it?

My sister's step-daughter recently declared her son was going to grow up to be a 'proper Wythenshawe bloke', which basically means he'll grow up to be a criminal who might not punch the mother of his kids if he's in a good mood.

Before anyone jumps in to defend folk from the area, I'm more than aware they are majority decent folk. But this particular gem of a mother is a druggie who has had the lad taken off her a dozen times. So because of her attitude, her poor son hasn't a dog's chance. And neither will any woman he comes across.

Her late mother would be horrified at this, as is my brother in law. It starts somewhere. In this case, environment and neglect. And a woman, worst of all.

I'm not saying that all misogynists or abusers have bad mothers. Obviously not. Some are reared to think they can be king of the world, and are entitled to the attention of women. Smothering can be as counterproductive as neglect. But a little help from other women might go a long way.

I'm a normal male,married, Dad, Granddad, I couldn't even think of "making a pass" to a younger woman let alone coming on strong or even thinking of any sort of sexual assault, my mind would always think of my own two daughters and certainly wouldn't have the slightest sexual intent towards them.

"My girls" (they will kill me if they read this) are well grown up but I still feel protective towards them and reckon I always will.

Am I normal or are these predatory males the norm?

[Toodles McGinty]

I'm a normal male,married, Dad, Granddad, I couldn't even think of "making a pass" to a younger woman let alone coming on strong or even thinking of any sort of sexual assault, my mind would always think of my own two daughters and certainly wouldn't have the slightest sexual intent towards them.

"My girls" (they will kill me if they read this) are well grown up but I still feel protective towards them and reckon I always will.

Am I normal or are these predatory males the norm?

They are most certainly not the norm. They are still the minority. Thank goodness. Sometimes feels like a minority that's growing, though.

When you look around the world, every religion and an awful lot of cultures treat women as, at best, second class citizens, at worse just possessions.

Even in this country, words such as 'feminist' are still spat out with venom by some. To me, it's an archaic word that conjures up images of women of the 60s fighting for rights that everyone should have. It simply should have faded from use by now. Just unnecessary. But apparently still a word that agitates some men. Then again, the events in 'Handmaids Tale', though a work of fiction, are happening to women in the world, somewhere, according to its author.

Since Sarah Everard was raped and murdered, 81 (and counting) other women have also been murdered by a man. In just 28 weeks. Sometimes it feels that men like you are becoming a rarity.

[donkey22]

And another one! A sergeant from West Yorkshire this time.
Ben Lister: West Yorkshire Police officer on trial charged with rape https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-58796000

[local]

No were the overwhelming majority we see women as our equals but some of us are still stuck a bit in protective mode and for that I make no apologies.

[donkey22]

I'm a normal male,married, Dad, Granddad, I couldn't even think of "making a pass" to a younger woman let alone coming on strong or even thinking of any sort of sexual assault, my mind would always think of my own two daughters and certainly wouldn't have the slightest sexual intent towards them.

"My girls" (they will kill me if they read this) are well grown up but I still feel protective towards them and reckon I always will.

Am I normal or are these predatory males the norm?

Your normal. I’m not a grandad yet but I was talking about this case with my 17 year old daughter who has always been brought up by her mother and I to respect the Police and has never had reason to dislike them.
She was aware of this case and also that of Sarah Everard. Her exact words were “Just goes to show the Police can’t be trusted”.
Can’t say I was surprised and I get the feeling this viewpoint is getting much more commonplace with the younger generation.

[local]

Thankfully statistically they are wrong, the Police overwhelmingly can be trusted and unless you have another number I will still be calling 999 when the sh9t hits my fan.