It is time there was a complete overhaul

[said]

Yet another construction company has gone bust in Liverpool, leaving Lime Street in a right mess. NMCN has gone bust. Does the council not follow up on the Construction companies it employs? This company was in trouble in 2019 - yet no-one picked up on it. It is time there was a complete overhaul of Liverpool Council.

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23/7/2021 09:02

I feel for shareholders here but after dealing with Mncn for many years in one of my co's, they've had this coming to them for years. I can honestly say they are, in the water industry, one of the worse payers, most underhand co's we have ever dealt with. On nearly every single project they employ on site QA's who, it would always appear do everything in their power to find fault, be it a little scratch during transportation, don't like the look of it, delay the delivery so they can delay the payment then accuse us of being late, and change the spec half way through construction only to then try and demand that we had the spec wrong, and its all to our cost all the while they sign off the original drawings prior to placement of order. I also know of one of a current & possible legal battle with them for nearly £1m including costs which again, has yet to be paid to the company who produced the goods. We have for past 12-18 months turned down all work from them as it really serves no-one to produce items for them, only to know you won't be getting paid for everything you should and when you do, it will be after a fight and months late. Costain were the same and look what happened to them"

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I know they are cutting back on the number of Councillors which is a good start, but only if they get rid of the more controversial ones, in particular, those who have an unusual number of family members working for the Council.

[Alikado]

It isn't Liverpool Council, like all Councils they have to follow Government and EU procedures on contracts when a contract is tendered they have very little say in who gets the work. The construction industry is totally corrupt particularly with the big players, many smaller contractors won't work for them due to late payments, non payments, 'Main Contractor discounts', retention payments many which never get settled.
A company that was in difficulty in 2019 wouldn't flag up for a few years particularly when annual accounts get delayed and not signed off.

[said]

It isn't Liverpool Council, like all Councils they have to follow Government and EU procedures on contracts when a contract is tendered they have very little say in who gets the work. The construction industry is totally corrupt particularly with the big players, many smaller contractors won't work for them due to late payments, non payments, 'Main Contractor discounts', retention payments many which never get settled.
A company that was in difficulty in 2019 wouldn't flag up for a few years particularly when annual accounts get delayed and not signed off.

Is it not all the same for all contracts? Why have the Southport potential projects been awarded to Liverpool Contractors and not Southport contractors? Why is it that several of the failed contractors in Liverpool, were investigated along with Mr. Anderson and the leader of the Council? If it was down to central government. If it is down to main Government to choose contractors - why did they choose some who had set up less than a year previously, with no known track record? Most of those in Liverpool were acquainted with Mr. Anderson and other councillors - was that just a coincidence? Why then, did they have to send someone down from central government to check on expenditure and failed building sites, they would not have had to do that if the contractors had been hired by them? - How come was it that Lord Street was tarmacked in black when the obvious choice would have been red - Liverpool Council owned up to that one, nothing to do with central government. Why was it Liverpool councillors who persuaded the Chinese people to invest in the new China town projects that led to a fraud investigation? No - not all to do with central government, that's for sure.

"In order to ensure that the Council is offering best value-for-money, it has a thorough tendering process. In general terms it begins with a needs analysis, followed by supplier selection, the tender itself and ending with the award of the contract and contract monitoring."

[local]

It isn't Liverpool Council, like all Councils they have to follow Government and EU procedures on contracts when a contract is tendered they have very little say in who gets the work. The construction industry is totally corrupt particularly with the big players, many smaller contractors won't work for them due to late payments, non payments, 'Main Contractor discounts', retention payments many which never get settled.
A company that was in difficulty in 2019 wouldn't flag up for a few years particularly when annual accounts get delayed and not signed off.

Liverpool City Council's Cabinet has awarded our Highways business the contract ,

Says NMCM

[Alikado]

Is it not all the same for all contracts? Why have the Southport potential projects been awarded to Liverpool Contractors and not Southport contractors? Why is it that several of the failed contractors in Liverpool, were investigated along with Mr. Anderson and the leader of the Council? If it was down to central government. If it is down to main Government to choose contractors - why did they choose some who had set up less than a year previously, with no known track record? Most of those in Liverpool were acquainted with Mr. Anderson and other councillors - was that just a coincidence? Why then, did they have to send someone down from central government to check on expenditure and failed building sites, they would not have had to do that if the contractors had been hired by them? - How come was it that Lord Street was tarmacked in black when the obvious choice would have been red - Liverpool Council owned up to that one, nothing to do with central government. Why was it Liverpool councillors who persuaded the Chinese people to invest in the new China town projects that led to a fraud investigation? No - not all to do with central government, that's for sure.

"In order to ensure that the Council is offering best value-for-money, it has a thorough tendering process. In general terms it begins with a needs analysis, followed by supplier selection, the tender itself and ending with the award of the contract and contract monitoring."

Contracts go to the company that wins the the tender, the Government don't choose the contractor they make the rules and regulations to be followed in the process, the contractor is chosen by evaluating all the tenders and if the cheapest isn't chosen they have to have very good reasons why not.
The companies that were investigated in Liverpool where mostly Developers not Contractors.
Lord St being re surfaced in black was a decision made by Sefton Council not Liverpool, it would have nothing to do with Liverpool.
Liverpool and the Government like other cities and Governments attended from around the world attended a Trades Fair to 'Sell the City' to attract all sorts of investment to the area there is nothing unusual in this and the city cannot be held responsible for Developers or Contractors later going bust.

[said]

Contracts go to the company that wins the the tender, the Government don't choose the contractor they make the rules and regulations to be followed in the process, the contractor is chosen by evaluating all the tenders and if the cheapest isn't chosen they have to have very good reasons why not.
The companies that were investigated in Liverpool where mostly Developers not Contractors.
Lord St being re surfaced in black was a decision made by Sefton Council not Liverpool, it would have nothing to do with Liverpool.
Liverpool and the Government like other cities and Governments attended from around the world attended a Trades Fair to 'Sell the City' to attract all sorts of investment to the area there is nothing unusual in this and the city cannot be held responsible for Developers or Contractors later going bust.

Would you employ a contractor who had only set up a few month before for a huge contract? Mr. Anderson and another council leader were involved in attracting investment from China for a particular contract. Would you not think it appropriate to check out the contractor carrying out that work - since the Council were involved? Liverpool has now gained a very poor reputation for itself from several countries. That was not very wise was it? Much of the money from Southport goes to the Liverpool Joint Council. A greater amount of money is spent in Bootle and Crosby as opposed to the very popular resort of Southport. Would you not consider it wiser to spend money on facilities where the returns are greatest? The council ruined Bootle as it did the city of Liverpool - at least Bootle at one time had a great community which has now disappeared due to poor management.

[Stuartli]

I How come was it that Lord Street was tarmacked in black when the obvious choice would have been red - Liverpool Council owned up to that one, nothing to do with central government.

Yet again, if you knew what you were talking about, you'd be dangerous.

The decision not to keep Lord Street's red tarmac was due to increased cost Sefton Council stated at the time (despite many requests and a petition to do so).

https://champnews.com/story.asp?ID=GN4_ART_720675

https://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=41265

[said]

Yet again, if you knew what you were talking about, you'd be dangerous.

The decision not to keep Lord Street's red tarmac was due to increased cost Sefton Council stated at the time (despite many requests and a petition to do so).

https://champnews.com/story.asp?ID=GN4_ART_720675

https://modgov.sefton.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=41265

Whose decision was that then? Was a vote held among the local people? Was the decision made behind closed doors in Bootle by our Bootle councillors? Save costs? Depends which company was hired - there is little difference in the cost? Yet the council seem to have paid out a considerably high amount of money for a building to be painted?? I do know what I am talking about, I am not talking in Farsi.

[Stuartli]

Whose decision was that then? Was a vote held among the local people? Was the decision made behind closed doors in Bootle by our Bootle councillors? Save costs? Depends which company was hired - there is little difference in the cost? Yet the council seem to have paid out a considerably high amount of money for a building to be painted?? I do know what I am talking about, I am not talking in Farsi.

If you did your Googling properly, you would answer your own questions.

Nothing to do with what company was hired in the case of the tarmac. But of course you obviously haven't either read the links or have forgotten the original reason.

[said]

If you did your Googling properly, you would answer your own questions.

Nothing to do with what company was hired in the case of the tarmac. But of course you obviously haven't either read the links or have forgotten the original reason.

So finish what you have started then..........enlighten me.

[Stuartli]

So finish what you have started then..........enlighten me.

Read my first paragraph again and try and comprehend it.

[silver fox]

Whose decision was that then? Was a vote held among the local people? Was the decision made behind closed doors in Bootle by our Bootle councillors? Save costs? Depends which company was hired - there is little difference in the cost? Yet the council seem to have paid out a considerably high amount of money for a building to be painted?? I do know what I am talking about, I am not talking in Farsi.

I take it then you are familiar with all aspects of road surfaces and maintenance, frankly if your main concern is the colour of the bloody tarmac, would suggest you get a life.

Foe me the main concern with any road surface is durability and safe usage.

[local]

As an aside, I considered red tarmac to be part of the character of the street and consequently a conservation issue as its a conservation area.

Still as to contract awarding Liverpool, Joe and family is crawling its way through the legal system so lets see what happens.

[silver fox]

I know Said has tried to make this one of his hate Liverpool threads, however he had a point in that it appears to be almost common place for main contractors going bust, usually after directors have sucked the well dry, this applies equally to contractors for both National and Local governments, it would seem that all main contractors need an independent oversight to keep them honest, having said that auditor and accountancy firms were still giving Carillion a clean bill of health while they paid out to shareholders and padded out director’s pension pots.

[Stuartli]

I know Said has tried to make this one of his hate Liverpool threads,

It's a female apparently, according to seivad...