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    Coal Collecting Southport Beach.

    I don't, even though one of our posters looking for a "smokescreen" claims I do.

    So is it worthwhile?

    Where does it come from?

    I haven't anywhere to burn it so it's no use to me and my neighbour's lungs are a concern.





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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    I don't, even though one of our posters looking for a "smokescreen" claims I do.

    So is it worthwhile?

    Where does it come from?

    I haven't anywhere to burn it so it's no use to me and my neighbour's lungs are a concern.
    Worthwhile? That depends on how much you can collect....In my case, I collected a carrier-bag full of small pieces over about an hour. That was many years ago, hardly seemed worthwhile, so never bothered again. Whereas a friend who had a business on L'pool Rd, once showed me his impressive collection. Sacks full of the stuff, inc some very large lumps indeed. However, he was loth to divulge exactly where on the beach it came from!

    I wouldn't do it nowadays anyway, since coal is not in any shape or form a clean fuel, and it would undoubtedly soot/tar-up my stove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    I don't, even though one of our posters looking for a "smokescreen" claims I do.

    So is it worthwhile?

    Where does it come from?

    I haven't anywhere to burn it so it's no use to me and my neighbour's lungs are a concern.

    The coal washed in on our beach, as I was told, comes from an outcrop in a channel out beyond the pier. We would all go down and collect it every other day, even in the coldest days of winter, the wind making it bitterly cold down there. You could collect at least a sackful quite easily, and after a pretty high tide the pieces were quite sizeable. It was good quality too, threw out some heat on the fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    The coal washed in on our beach, as I was told, comes from an outcrop in a channel out beyond the pier. We would all go down and collect it every other day, even in the coldest days of winter, the wind making it bitterly cold down there. You could collect at least a sackful quite easily, and after a pretty high tide the pieces were quite sizeable. It was good quality too, threw out some heat on the fire.
    One story that always used to do the rounds was that it was from a wreck, if true it must have had one hell over a coal cargo!
    Another more plausible story was that it was the Point of Ayr coal seam that was being eroded away and being washed up at Southport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    One story that always used to do the rounds was that it was from a wreck, if true it must have had one hell over a coal cargo!
    We use to collect this coal in the late 60s and 70s - we understood it to have come from a wreck.

    Whether there was any truth to the wreck story I don't know, but I do know the coal was easy to find, had been washed clean and was put into bags to go in the car boot.

    It was also capable of giving off a lot more heat than our average coal round deliveries at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Worthwhile? That depends on how much you can collect....In my case, I collected a carrier-bag full of small pieces over about an hour. That was many years ago, hardly seemed worthwhile, so never bothered again. Whereas a friend who had a business on L'pool Rd, once showed me his impressive collection. Sacks full of the stuff, inc some very large lumps indeed. However, he was loth to divulge exactly where on the beach it came from!

    I wouldn't do it nowadays anyway, since coal is not in any shape or form a clean fuel, and it would undoubtedly soot/tar-up my stove.


    So are you persisting in telling me I collect coal or not you don't seem to mention it above?

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    I have heard all sorts of reasons why there is coal on our beach including it occurs naturally, I remember one chap used to go out all the time from Ainsdale ( pontins ) pushing a bike, he used to fill a couple of big sacks and wheel them back on his bike. I have seen sea coal burn it spits, think it’s the salt.

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    I was also led to believe it came from Point of Ayr from a shallow seam of coal eroded by the sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Londoner View Post
    I was also led to believe it came from Point of Ayr from a shallow seam of coal eroded by the sea.
    I thought the tide flowed Northerly??

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    I thought the tide flowed Northerly??
    The direction at any given time, is dependent on whether the tide is rising or falling. Basically, the Irish Sea fills and empties (not completely!) twice in every 24hr period. The direction and strength of the current over any given point, will therefore vary considerably. Charts and tables can provide the information on what will be happening at any particular time and place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    The direction at any given time, is dependent on whether the tide is rising or falling. Basically, the Irish Sea fills and empties (not completely!) twice in every 24hr period. The direction and strength of the current over any given point, will therefore vary considerably. Charts and tables can provide the information on what will be happening at any particular time and place.

    Yes, I have got that - but since is due to the pull of the moon ti would be expected to be an east to west motion. But I have just found that there are two tides for the UK: Have you got anything different?

    "One travels north up the west coast, around the tip of Scotland, then down the east coast. The other flows up the English Channel and the two converge off the Thames estuary. When a peak is at Land's End, it is also high tide around the west coast of Scotland and Yorkshire."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    The direction at any given time, is dependent on whether the tide is rising or falling. Basically, the Irish Sea fills and empties (not completely!) twice in every 24hr period. The direction and strength of the current over any given point, will therefore vary considerably. Charts and tables can provide the information on what will be happening at any particular time and place.


    You seem to have gone quiet on my coal collecting, are you preparing an apology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    I thought the tide flowed Northerly??
    It does, the Gulf Stream, in through the Bristol Channel.
    Southport is between N & NNE of the Point of Ayr

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    But I have just found that there are two tides for the UK: Have you got anything different?
    The English Channel has two highs and two low tides in some areas and around Seatown in Devon there can be four low and four high tides.
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    No need to go to the beach today .........







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