Proposal to block off Roads and Streets in Southport to create Liveable Neighbourhood

[Stuartli]

Precisely,which is why Victorian road planners had no reason to factor-in problems associated with mass-ownership of motor vehicles. They would have been more
concerned with creating main streets wide enough to carry the tramlines!

The main roads that carried tramlines were basically already in existence. Roe Lane, for example, dates back to 1606 and was steadily built up over the years.

[Kippax]

Sorry hadn't read your post when I posted mine.

No problem, hundreds of thousands, you couldn’t make it up.

Every time I’ve been down there I’ve hardly seen a cyclist, be interesting to know just how the figures are arrived at.

[justbecause]

No problem, hundreds of thousands, you couldn’t make it up.

Every time I’ve been down there I’ve hardly seen a cyclist, be interesting to know just how the figures are arrived at.

They probably use the same calculator they use to work out their expenses.

[The PNP]

The main roads that carried tramlines were basically already in existence. Roe Lane, for example, dates back to 1606 and was steadily built up over the years.

That's as may be, but let's not overly obfuscate.....'Liveable Neighbourhoods' are what people want, at least what those who live within them want. Whereas those who don't live within the proposed LN boundary and simply use the neighbourhood as a through-route to elsewhere, have a very different and somewhat selfish view on things.

Imo, it's got to be worth giving the plan a trial run of a year or two, before either scrapping it,
or if it proves to be successful, rolling the idea out across the whole Borough of Sefton.

[silver fox]

That's as may be, but let's not overly obfuscate.....'Liveable Neighbourhoods' are what people want, at least what those who live within them want. Whereas those who don't live within the proposed LN boundary and simply use the neighbourhood as a through-route to elsewhere, have a very different and somewhat selfish view on things.

Imo, it's got to be worth giving the plan a trial run of a year or two, before either scrapping it,
or if it proves to be successful, rolling the idea out across the whole Borough of Sefton.

Of course you KNOW what those residents want, on the one hand they may be glad to get rid of traffic, but see how they like the inconvenience it will bring for them, that sort of decision must be up to the residents, not you, me or some desk jockey in an office who probably doesn't know where these roads are.

[Stuartli]

That's as may be, but let's not overly obfuscate.....'Liveable Neighbourhoods' are what people want, at least what those who live within them want. Whereas those who don't live within the proposed LN boundary and simply use the neighbourhood as a through-route to elsewhere, have a very different and somewhat selfish view on things.

Imo, it's got to be worth giving the plan a trial run of a year or two, before either scrapping it,
or if it proves to be successful, rolling the idea out across the whole Borough of Sefton.

What a big word and something at which you've consistently proved an expert.

How the BH do you or anyone else know what people living in any particular area might want or not want?

Unlike you, I and most people commenting on such subjects in this forum rarely interfere in plans or ideas for other districts of the town - those who live there generally know best about what is or is not required.

Somewhat different from you, who doesn't even live in the town but several miles away. It's really none of your business or concern.

[The PNP]

A) What a big word and something at which you've consistently proved an expert.

B) How the BH do you or anyone else know what people living in any particular area might want or not want?

Unlike you, I and most people commenting on such subjects in this forum rarely interfere in plans or ideas for other districts of the town - those who live there generally know best about what is or is not required.

C) Somewhat different from you, who doesn't even live in the town but several miles away. It's really none of your business or concern.

A) Big word? You'll never guess who I learnt it from!

B) I know what I want in my area - peace and quiet. I also know what people on all those property programmes we see on the box say, when shown a property suffering from traffic noise/stink/vibration.

C) Your info is way out of date, mate. I'm a PR9'er, with full voting rights etc, and have been for some years now, though I rarely disclose that fact in conversation. In reality, only the works yard itself remains on The Moss.

[Stuartli]

A) Big word? You'll never guess who I learnt it from!

B) I know what I want in my area - peace and quiet. I also know what people on all those property programmes we see on the box say, when shown a property suffering from traffic noise/stink/vibration.

C) Your info is way out of date, mate. I'm a PR9'er, with full voting rights etc, and have been for some years now. Just the works yard remains on The Moss.

Collins Dictionary?

What you want is NOT necessarily what other people want.

The PR9 post code area extends from the town centre to Hundred End. You might be outside the Merseyside area.....

[The PNP]

A) Collins Dictionary?

B) What you want is NOT necessarily what other people want.

C) The PR9 post code area extends from the town centre to Hundred End. You might be outside the Merseyside area.....

A) Nice try - not!

C) Incredible post - now you're suggesting I may be a 'Bonkser' - eek!
Nah, I can assure you I'm ensconced well inside the PR9 area.

B) I know it's not what many motorists want. But then not everybody - believe it or not - is a motorist. Same story when the 20mph limits came in...Almost everybody liked them on their own road, whilst disliking them elsewhere.

[Desert Region]

A) Big word? You'll never guess who I learnt it from!

I think I can guess, but go on: whom?

[The PNP]

I think I can guess, but go on: whom?

I think you guess right. But I really wanted to see what ''Stu' thought.

[Stuartli]

C) Incredible post - now you're suggesting I may be a 'Bonkser' - eek!
Nah, I can assure you I'm ensconced well inside the PR9 area.

Map of PR9 area:

https://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/site/map.asp?area=2812

[MICK/GILLY]

I think you are in the l40 area PNP .

[The PNP]

I think you are in the l40 area PNP .

That's where I was for many, many years, and am happy to put that about, but fyi only the yard remains there now.

[MICK/GILLY]

Ha ha I know where you are but I would never disclose to anyone where anyone lives …