Proposal to block off Roads and Streets in Southport to create Liveable Neighbourhood

[silver fox]

Which could be seen as an advantage for families living in those street/s. Because ridding their neighbourhoods of unwanted through traffic, obviously reduces the risk of a passing motorist carrying out a snatch-and-grab 'kid'napping.

At end of day, the only people to be adversely affected by the scheme, are motorists who use these streets as rat-runs. I'm sure emergency services are smart enough to amend their maps, to ensure they enter a street by the correct end. Imo, less cars through a street, means lessening the chance of people getting knocked down/knocked off.

You and your bloody rat runs, people are merely using the roads, the ones who seem to think they can use any and every short cut with impunity are your saintly cyclists.

What is it with you your ONLY consideration is something which fits within your particular agenda, other people have different needs and priorities.

[The PNP]

A) You and your bloody rat runs, people are merely using the roads, the ones who seem to think they can use any and every short cut with impunity are your saintly cyclists.

B) What is it with you your ONLY consideration is something which fits within your particular agenda, other people have different needs and priorities.

A) Merely in some cases speeding happily through. Yes, I know there are responsible drivers who respect the 20mph limit on these streets, as do I. Sadly when in the area, I have also seen for myself how every once in a while, some fool boy-racer type barrels through unacceptably fast (at a guess hitting 40mph).....What if someones granny or young kid decides to cross, just when one of these idiots is flying through?

B) Don't forget, I also drive works vehicles to attend properties which may lie within the restricted area. Yet can see no practical problem getting to addresses within it......As far as bikes go, it's important to ensure maximum permeability for them through a town. When people realise they can get from A to B quicker by bike than by car, it helps them make the right decision re mode of transport.

[editor]

We just a response about this to post in our news....

https://www.qlocal.co.uk/southport/n...e-55052693.htm

[Kritou]

Don’t forget that this scheme is in ADDITION to the north/south “family friendly cycle” road closures that Sefton claim are being forced on it by government edict … it is all madness

[Desert Region]

'Liveable Neighbourhood'! The arrogance of that term!

[Kritou]

…. Don't forget, I also drive works vehicles to attend properties which may lie within the restricted area. Yet can see no practical problem getting to addresses within it......As far as bikes go, it's important to ensure maximum permeability for them through a town. When people realise they can get from A to B quicker by bike than by car, it helps them make the right decision re mode of transport.

When winter rains, wind and cold set in I’m sure the population will join with me in thinking “what ****head thought cycling was a viable year round option”

[donkey22]

Because they know it’s pointless. As you well know, Sefton Councillor’s based in Bootle don’t consult, they dictate, and we all know that from the moment they “proposed” these badly and ill considered traffic schemes, they were a done deal.
Only time will tell, but when the already congested Preston New Road and Cambridge Road have their width reduced by 50%, combined with all the extra traffic that will be created with the new housing development at Balmoral Drive, getting into and through Southport will become impossible. This, in turn will further decimate the already struggling retail business in the Town Centre, but hey, it not all bad news, the few cyclists will have the whole run of the Highway Infrastructure to themselves.

Oh well, more fool them then. A wasted opportunity to make their voices heard. Can’t help those that don’t help themselves.

[Desert Region]

When winter rains, wind and cold set in I’m sure the population will join with me in thinking “what ****head thought cycling was a viable year round option”

Especially in a Northern coastal town!

[The PNP]

When winter rains, wind and cold set in I’m sure the population will join with me in thinking “what ****head thought cycling was a viable year round option”

No need to sell/crush the car to use a bike.....Ride when conditions allow, drive when the weather turns bad - simples!

[MICK/GILLY]

Nightmare for courier drivers, came across this a lot in Liverpool called play streets or something like that, sure in time you learn the way around but no good if you are working to time.

[Kritou]

It will be “interesting” to see how the refuse and recycling trucks navigate the maze that is being proposed - and just how the emergency services will cope when all traffic is forced onto the main roads is going to be critical …

[silver fox]

No need to sell/crush the car to use a bike.....Ride when conditions allow, drive when the weather turns bad - simples!

Wakey, wakey if people are going to the expense of owning and maintaining a car don't be surprised when they use it if it's more convenient, if I'm going to the local shop just for a few bits, I'll walk, if on the other hand I'm picking up something heavy, bulky or the weather's not good I'll take the car, same journey but transport at my convenience.

[silver fox]

A) Merely in some cases speeding happily through. Yes, I know there are responsible drivers who respect the 20mph limit on these streets, as do I. Sadly when in the area, I have also seen for myself how every once in a while, some fool boy-racer type barrels through unacceptably fast (at a guess hitting 40mph).....What if someones granny or young kid decides to cross, just when one of these idiots is flying through?

B) Don't forget, I also drive works vehicles to attend properties which may lie within the restricted area. Yet can see no practical problem getting to addresses within it......As far as bikes go, it's important to ensure maximum permeability for them through a town. When people realise they can get from A to B quicker by bike than by car, it helps them make the right decision re mode of transport.

We all know that anything moving faster than a bike is obviously going at breakneck speed,

Why is it important for the very few cyclists to have "maximum permeability" what makes cyclists so important? All these sort of restrictions merely drive cars on to other already congested streets or drive them away altogether, drive the cars away, you also drive away the people in them, you know those people who come into town either local or visitor, those same people who spend money in town, supporting what remains of the town centre, if you think those people will suddenly switch to a bike or a new generation of cycling visitors will replace that custom, you sir are living in an alternative reality.

Please don't recycle your old chestnut by regaling us with tales of just how much you can pack in your panniers, trailer or rucksack, that isn't the choice of many, no matter what you think.

[local]

Ignoring the forthcoming self-driving car is very short-sighted.

Southport streets would be great for this, get rid of me and my bike to some leisure routes and get a network and its chargers planned.

People aren't coming from anywhere on bikes.

[The PNP]

A) We all know that anything moving faster than a bike is obviously going at breakneck speed,

B) Why is it important for the very few cyclists to have "maximum permeability" what makes cyclists so important?

C) All these sort of restrictions merely drive cars on to other already congested streets or drive them away altogether, drive the cars away, you also drive away the people in them, you know those people who come into town either local or visitor, those same people who spend money in town, supporting what remains of the town centre, if you think those people will suddenly switch to a bike or a new generation of cycling visitors will replace that custom, you sir are living in an alternative reality.

A) I may not have a radar gun, but there's an obvious difference between 20mph and 40mph!
Also, people (visitors) who come into town shouldn't be taking their cars down the residential streets in question. They should follow the signage and keep to the main routes in/out of town.

B) Everyones journey is equally important. The little kid on his hand-me-down bike, has every bit as much right to get about safely, as the bigshot in his shiny new Rolls. For too long, the money has all been spent on improving roads for the motorist. So much so, he has come to believe everything should go his way. Howl as he might about it, a levelling-up process is now underway.

C) Yes, general traffic should stick to the routes provided. Using residential streets as overspill routes for rat-running is not on. It makes these areas unsafe, increases noise/vibration and raises exhaust pollution levels where people live. If there's so much traffic coming into town, that it has to resort to residential rat-running, I wouldn't worry about there being no footfall.