Proposal to block off Roads and Streets in Southport to create Liveable Neighbourhood

[The PNP]

A) Ignoring the forthcoming self-driving car is very short-sighted.

Southport streets would be great for this, get rid of me and my bike to some leisure routes and get a network and its chargers planned.

B) People aren't coming from anywhere on bikes.

A) Self-driving cars taking over our islands convoluted road network anytime soon, is about as likely as 70million Turks joining the EU and appearing on our streets!

B) Wrong. I have spoken to visitors on bikes in town on a number of occasions, in the process asking them where they've cycled from. Often swapping info on good routes to ride, etc. Cycling is a great way to meet/chat with people who have a common interest.

[Stuartli]

Which could be seen as an advantage for families living in those street/s. Because ridding their neighbourhoods of unwanted through traffic, obviously reduces the risk of a passing motorist carrying out a snatch-and-grab 'kid'napping.

At end of day, the only people to be adversely affected by the scheme, are motorists who use these streets as rat-runs. I'm sure emergency services are smart enough to amend their maps, to ensure they enter a street by the correct end. Imo, less cars through a street, means lessening the chance of people getting knocked down/knocked off.

You really are beyond the pale. When have these particular streets ever been rat runs?

Your one trick agenda is now beginning to come perilously close to becoming absolutely and utterly boring and tedious.

[Desert Region]

You really are beyond the pale. When have these particular streets ever been rat runs?

Your one trick agenda is now beginning to come perilously close to becoming absolutely and utterly boring and tedious.

Yes, considering motorists to be rats says it all, I'm afraid.

[MICK/GILLY]

A) I may not have a radar gun, but there's an obvious difference between 20mph and 40mph!
Also, people (visitors) who come into town shouldn't be taking their cars down the residential streets in question. They should follow the signage and keep to the main routes in/out of town.

B) Everyones journey is equally important. The little kid on his hand-me-down bike, has every bit as much right to get about safely, as the bigshot in his shiny new Rolls. For too long, the money has all been spent on improving roads for the motorist. So much so, he has come to believe everything should go his way. Howl as he might about it, a levelling-up process is now underway.

C) Yes, general traffic should stick to the routes provided. Using residential streets as overspill routes for rat-running is not on. It makes these areas unsafe, increases noise/vibration and raises exhaust pollution levels where people live. If there's so much traffic coming into town, that it has to resort to residential rat-running, I wouldn't worry about there being no footfall.

You say should and shouldn’t a lot like you are the one to decide stuff, who made you the king of the roads?, telling folk where they should and shouldn’t drive ,you would make a great dictator, it’s like you have got the role down already, you are halfway there. The dic half .

[The PNP]

Yes, considering motorists to be rats says it all, I'm afraid.

Of course, it's not a problem on modern housing developments, which are laid out to avoid being used as motorist 'rat runs'. Whereas, back in the 1800's when they created this part of town, motor vehicles had yet to be invented. For that reason, nobody thought to future-proof these residential streets, against vehicles that can reach lethal speeds in seconds. Which is primarily why, very belatedly, these streets are to be updated with #modal filters.

[silver fox]

A) I may not have a radar gun, but there's an obvious difference between 20mph and 40mph!
Also, people (visitors) who come into town shouldn't be taking their cars down the residential streets in question. They should follow the signage and keep to the main routes in/out of town.

B) Everyones journey is equally important. The little kid on his hand-me-down bike, has every bit as much right to get about safely, as the bigshot in his shiny new Rolls. For too long, the money has all been spent on improving roads for the motorist. So much so, he has come to believe everything should go his way. Howl as he might about it, a levelling-up process is now underway.

C) Yes, general traffic should stick to the routes provided. Using residential streets as overspill routes for rat-running is not on. It makes these areas unsafe, increases noise/vibration and raises exhaust pollution levels where people live. If there's so much traffic coming into town, that it has to resort to residential rat-running, I wouldn't worry about there being no footfall.

From experience I find that ultra slow drivers tend to react and think at the same snails pace, name one street which isn’t residential in Southport, plus of course whatever makes you think that drivers around town are visitors?

Every journey has an importance to those making the journey, but you can only think in terms of ban, divert, restrict or otherwise impede the car user, I have no doubt that many motorists would love to see cyclists on their own segregated tarmac, but reality has to come into play as to how that can be done.

[Little Londoner]

I'm surprised he knows that 40 is different from 20 I suppose it shows not all of the tax payers money was wasted on his Education.
But backing all these stupid Bootle Polit bureau decisions is making up for the waste of money.
Pity the money isn't spent on making the roads fit for use by all instead of pandering to yet another minority, when are the rainbow zebra crossings coming.

If potholes had any value this town would be more valuable than Sandbanks.

[local]

Could anyone point out to me where all the visitors are on bikes?

a few cycling enthusiasts certainly, but just any route I have missed that is full or even sprinkled with out-of-town visitors.

I am not cycling as much but still don't see many sometimes no people on what I would call street routes.

The leisure routes around the coast road, pinewoods certainly.

[Kippax]

Could anyone point out to me where all the visitors are on bikes?

a few cycling enthusiasts certainly, but just any route I have missed that is full or even sprinkled with out-of-town visitors.

I am not cycling as much but still don't see many sometimes no people on what I would call street routes.

The leisure routes around the coast road, pinewoods certainly.

See groups of “Lycra” clad cyclists using Tarleton By-Pass and the Marine Drive but hardly ever using the cycle lanes.

[local]

See groups of “Lycra” clad cyclists using Tarleton By-Pass and the Marine Drive but hardly ever using the cycle lanes.

Yes I see the club cyclists and odd enthusiasts I just want to know where all the visitors are?

Any meaningful numbers that could affect the town's economy in any demonstrable way.

Shoppers, restaurant users,theatre goers anything really.

[Kippax]

Yes I see the club cyclists and odd enthusiasts I just want to know where all the visitors are?

Any meaningful numbers that could affect the town's economy in any demonstrable way.

Shoppers, restaurant users,theatre goers anything really.

Chances are most of the “visitors” will bring their cycles to the town on their cycle racks on their diesel / petrol vehicles.

[Alikado]

This Project is nothing to do with cyclists any benefit for them is a by product, it is about modernising the road networkmaking it safer and improving traffic flows.
When will people realise that these things are not dreamed up by somebody in Bootle trying to find a way to P!$$ off the residents of Southport they are and edict from Westminster.
Modern Housing Estates are designed not to have 'Rat Runs', you have one or two entrance / exit points and a series of cul-de-sacs all these plans are trying to do is modernise these areas, nobody moans about Ainsdale or Kew because they were designed that way from the onset.
Like it or not there will be more of these schemes over the coming years.

[editor]

Steve here aka editor, 5 of the last 6 news items here in Southport are on this subject.

We posted a personal view by Lee Durkin last night, which was followed up this morning by Southport Conservatives, a response from Sefton Council and now the good news for a Have your say event by sustrans next Tuesday.

Can I have a shower and get dressed now!!!!

[seivad]

I doubt that modal filters on through roads (a nicer term than rat runs ) will amount to a hill of beans in terms of encouraging more local people to cycle, or attracting more cycling visitors to town.

I think it will improve the environment for those who live on these roads. Traffic noise, stinky fumes etc. On this basis alone, surely it's a good idea?

[seivad]

Steve here aka editor, 5 of the last 6 news items here in Southport are on this subject.

We posted a personal view by Lee Durkin last night, which was followed up this morning by Southport Conservatives, a response from Sefton Council and now the good news for a Have your say event by sustrans next Tuesday.

Can I have a shower and get dressed now!!!!

Please do, I can smell you from here!