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  1. The PNP says:16/10/2021 05:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    Well, you’ve come out with some crap over the years, but this post takes your stupidly to a whole new level.
    Guess I must have been a dumb kid right from the word go - because I used to make my own way to primary school walking or cycling 1.5miles each way every schoolday. But that was in the '50's, when traffic was nothing like it is now.

    Fyi, there are present-day schools in NL, where it's not uncommon for 90% of pupils to arrive by bike. As soon as they leave their own street, they're onto a separate cycle-path along the first main road they meet. Junctions are 100% safe for them to negotiate too, regardless of age, as bikes large and small get their very own 'phase'.






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  3. libraryguy says:16/10/2021 05:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Guess I must have been a dumb kid right from the word go - because I used to make my own way to primary school walking or cycling 1.5miles each way every schoolday. But that was in the '50's, when traffic was nothing like it is now.

    Fyi, there are present-day schools in NL, where it's not uncommon for 90% of pupils to arrive by bike. As soon as they leave their own street, they're onto a separate cycle-path along the first main road they meet. Junctions are 100% safe for them to negotiate too, regardless of age, as bikes large and small get their very own 'phase'.
    All you ever talk about is the Netherlands! Why don't you just go back there and stay for good. You obviously hate it here.

  4. The PNP says:16/10/2021 06:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by libraryguy View Post
    All you ever talk about is the Netherlands! Why don't you just go back there and stay for good. You obviously hate it here.
    I use NL as an example of safe bike infrastructure, because being 'woonachtig' there for a few years, that's where I have personal experience of. Don't want to emigrate again tbh, because family is here (now inc's grandkids) and sailing to and fro across the North Sea to visit for evermore would become a pain.
    Last edited by The PNP; 16/10/2021 at 08:10 PM.

  5. justbecause says:16/10/2021 06:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    I use NL as an example of safe bike infrastructure, because being 'woonachtig' there for a few years, that's where I have personal experience of. Don't want to emigrate again tbh, because family is here and sailing to and fro across the North Sea to visit for evermore would become a pain.
    I’m sure they wouldn’t miss you, we certainly wouldn’t.

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  7. The PNP says:16/10/2021 07:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    I’m sure they wouldn’t miss you, we certainly wouldn’t.
    Lol.....but then I could always log onto Q from Den Haag!

  8. Little Londoner says:17/10/2021 11:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A) I expect there would be equal indignance from motorists, if the town had never had pavements and this scheme was about belatedly providing some. E.g. remember motorists reactions when Chapel Street pedestrianisation was proposed?

    Well the Town DID have pavements so you cannot possibly use that one, although when out at night in the dark on country lanes the number of pedestrians and cyclists dressed in dark clothing bikes with no lights and pedestrians walking on the wrong side of the road is not in any way a rarity

    Fact is, motorists want all the tarmac to themselves, always have done and always will. Even now, with our world at risk from rising sealevels and climate catastrophe, the same old selfish attitude prevails - duh!

    wrong again sunshine I have every respect for pedestrians horse riders cyclists and other drivers and if I see an articulated lorry or large farm machinery approaching a bend I hold back so they have room to get round DO YOU? I don't treat the road as MY domain it is there for everyone and if used properly by ALL it will be safe. As for motor cycles if they are being ridden sensibly no problem if they want to ride at twice the speed limit then they have a good chance of months in bed or years in a box.



    B) Personally, I've never equated cycling with politics. But just as with Brexit, there's always some who will do. To me, it's more about what makes the most sense. Instead of choking towns to death with motor vehicles, I recognise that there are alternatives which are better for our health and our environment.
    Yes but you have proved on many occasions that you don't live in the real world , do you get a severe nose bleed if you get a couple of miles from home because you are certain that everybody should use a bike to work, to go shopping, to move a grand piano from Aunty Gerty's in Ainsdale to Aunty Macassars in Banks. You have no idea that there is another colour between black and white, what you do should be followed by everyone in your tiny mind. As for making sense what is sensible about providing something the people it was provided for don't use it. You really need to read other posts answering your blanket drivel instead of regurgitating it over and over again.

  9. Little Londoner says:17/10/2021 11:57 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    Since when did everyone in a block of flats share 1 internet connection?

    Like the library, libraryguy.
    I have never lived in a block of flats but I have been staying in multi storey hotels with ONE internet connection as if it were 600 rooms would you expect them to provide 600 internet connections it is called wifi.

  10. salus.populi says:17/10/2021 12:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Little Londoner View Post
    I have never lived in a block of flats but I have been staying in multi storey hotels with ONE internet connection as if it were 600 rooms would you expect them to provide 600 internet connections it is called wifi.
    True but the idea that 19 different individuals in the same building submitted a survey of identical answers is laughable.

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  12. The PNP says:17/10/2021 05:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Little Londoner View Post
    You really need to read other posts answering your blanket drivel instead of regurgitating it over and over again.
    That's because the solution doesn't change....I.e. provide separate good-quality cycle infra- structure, forming a 'grid' of safe routes for people (young, old and of all abilities) to use.

  13. Kritou says:17/10/2021 06:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    True but the idea that 19 different individuals in the same building submitted a survey of identical answers is laughable.
    Far from it. I have logged on to this forum several times over the past two weeks from the Market using the free WiFi. If others did the same it would account for Mr Fairclough’s confusion ..

  14. justbecause says:17/10/2021 08:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Kritou View Post
    Far from it. I have logged on to this forum several times over the past two weeks from the Market using the free WiFi. If others did the same it would account for Mr Fairclough’s confusion ..
    I’m sure that if Fairclough had received nineteen replies from the same internet provider supporting his hair brained scheme he wouldn’t have been throwing around wild allegations and accusations.

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  16. salus.populi says:18/10/2021 08:52 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Kritou View Post
    Far from it. I have logged on to this forum several times over the past two weeks from the Market using the free WiFi. If others did the same it would account for Mr Fairclough’s confusion ..
    And the odds of them all submitting exactly the same answers and nobody else submitting anything different are?
    And as the council own the market they'd know the IP address.

  17. Little Londoner says:18/10/2021 11:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    That's because the solution doesn't change....I.e. provide separate good-quality cycle infra- structure, forming a 'grid' of safe routes for people (young, old and of all abilities) to use.
    So WHEN £Millions have been spent on your cycle infrastructure you think ALL cyclists will become sensible law abiding angels overnight. Your Naivety is a marvel to behold if it wasn't so serious it would be laughable, I don't suppose you would back a form of financial contribution similar to motor insurance and road tax for cyclists to pay for all this provision or do you think it is a right that vast amounts of money should be paid for freeloaders to go out and kill each other as happened in Balham (which sort of stuck a bar in your spokes of cycling being a victimless sedate way of everybody taking to the velocipede)

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  19. salus.populi says:18/10/2021 01:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Little Londoner View Post
    So WHEN £Millions have been spent on your cycle infrastructure you think ALL cyclists will become sensible law abiding angels overnight. Your Naivety is a marvel to behold if it wasn't so serious it would be laughable, I don't suppose you would back a form of financial contribution similar to motor insurance and road tax for cyclists to pay for all this provision or do you think it is a right that vast amounts of money should be paid for freeloaders to go out and kill each other as happened in Balham (which sort of stuck a bar in your spokes of cycling being a victimless sedate way of everybody taking to the velocipede)
    Billions are spent on road infrastructure but that doesn't make all drivers law abiding all the time.

    I already have 3rd party insurance as a cyclist. £12 per year.

    Quite happy to pay £0 "road tax" for the emissions i don't produce, same as many cars.

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  21. Tallboy says:18/10/2021 03:03 PM
    That's the biggest load of Cobblers you've ever spouted you twerp!
    As a regular cyclist in Birkdale I don't need these 'dedicated facilities', I'm happy sharing the road with other equally legitimate road users. If I recall correctly it is you that fell off their bike at the traffic lights, junction of Roe Lane and Leyland Rd trying to balnce on two wheels without putting your feet down right in front of traffic. I called you a 'P' then and it still applies..... Learn to ride your bike in a responsible and respectful manner........

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