Divided England

[Toodles McGinty]

Risible of Toodles McGinty to comment along the lines of language and division, look at the this thread:

https://www.qlocal.co.uk/uk/forum/We...55051309-2.htm

Millsey

Anything in particular? I'd say I was quite restrained on there.

You should do a little more digging.

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]No, nothing to do with remain or leave. [/B]Nothing to do with 'leaning left'.

As for 'visceral insults', as I keep saying, don't put it out there if you don't like it coming back. The only person on the receiving end of any 'visceral insults' on here is you. You have a short memory, obviously.

5 years of 'lefty losers', of calling me an alcoholic, of continual sneering - what's the latest 'social housing' tenants? My views in particular are irrelevant?

But you can't still get it in your head that Brexit had little to do with 'left' or 'right', just in or out.

Who said anything about voting the 'right way'?

All going right over your head, nothing at all to do with the original post.

Stay in your lane, Carrie.

So thats my charge sheet in 5 years liberal dosings of lefty loser, wondering if you have been on the gin again and some undefined "sneering".


I repeat your original post as you seem to have forgotten it already;


Following on from the comments on the 'David Amess' thread, I thought it might be better to has a separate thread to discuss the language of English (rather than British) politics, and how it has divided us.

The language used has evolved since the Brexit campaigns. In the past, traditional campaigning involved going door to door, manifestos, candidates putting forward their point of view.

Since the Trump and Leave campaigns utilised companies such as Cambridge Analytica, Palantir etc used illegal data mining (analysing people's character traits and targeting advertising that 'nudges' them down a particular path, convincing them they are right and the 'other' is an enemy), traditional campaigns seem to be a thing of the past. Now it's 3 word slogans and buzzwords to trigger an individual's prejudices.

The upshot of this is a massively divided country, politically, socially. Hate crime is up and rising, especially racial hate. People feel emboldened by the language of government. While Jo Cox was murdered, the attacker shouted 'Britain First'. Boris Johnson was branded a disgrace for dismissing pleas from Labour MPs to stop using inflammatory language in light of the murder of Jo Cox, telling one that it was “humbug” and another that the best way to honour her was to “get Brexit done”. He was called on to stop using language such as “surrender”, “traitor” and “betrayal” in relation to Brexit.

All carefully selected to appeal to certain voters.

Now Sajid Javid is calling on people to 'name and shame' GPs. They are already being physically attacked. How long before one is killed?

The anti-vaxxers are becoming increasingly violent. Believing they are 'pureblood' (LOL), again, led by geeks on laptops pushing buzzwords to appeal to their need to kick out at something or someone. How long before they kill a doctor, nurse or teacher?

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So nothing to do with leave or remain ?

Are you getting mixed up again?

your entire post is based on the alledged fall from grace of British Political debate since Brexit and its surrounding discussion.

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Risible of Toodles McGinty to comment along the lines of language and division, look at the this thread:

https://www.qlocal.co.uk/uk/forum/We...55051309-2.htm

Millsey

Your not supposed to notice "Potty Mouth" as the number one, two and three of vile comment.

[Toodles McGinty]

So thats my charge sheet in 5 years liberal dosings of lefty loser, wondering if you have been on the gin again and some undefined "sneering".


I repeat your original post as you seem to have forgotten it already;


Following on from the comments on the 'David Amess' thread, I thought it might be better to has a separate thread to discuss the language of English (rather than British) politics, and how it has divided us.

The language used has evolved since the Brexit campaigns. In the past, traditional campaigning involved going door to door, manifestos, candidates putting forward their point of view.

Since the Trump and Leave campaigns utilised companies such as Cambridge Analytica, Palantir etc used illegal data mining (analysing people's character traits and targeting advertising that 'nudges' them down a particular path, convincing them they are right and the 'other' is an enemy), traditional campaigns seem to be a thing of the past. Now it's 3 word slogans and buzzwords to trigger an individual's prejudices.

The upshot of this is a massively divided country, politically, socially. Hate crime is up and rising, especially racial hate. People feel emboldened by the language of government. While Jo Cox was murdered, the attacker shouted 'Britain First'. Boris Johnson was branded a disgrace for dismissing pleas from Labour MPs to stop using inflammatory language in light of the murder of Jo Cox, telling one that it was “humbug” and another that the best way to honour her was to “get Brexit done”. He was called on to stop using language such as “surrender”, “traitor” and “betrayal” in relation to Brexit.

All carefully selected to appeal to certain voters.

Now Sajid Javid is calling on people to 'name and shame' GPs. They are already being physically attacked. How long before one is killed?

The anti-vaxxers are becoming increasingly violent. Believing they are 'pureblood' (LOL), again, led by geeks on laptops pushing buzzwords to appeal to their need to kick out at something or someone. How long before they kill a doctor, nurse or teacher?

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So nothing to do with leave or remain ?

Are you getting mixed up again?

your entire post is based on the alledged fall from grace of British Political debate since Brexit and its surrounding discussion.

There you go, being a sneering prick again. I haven't 'forgotten' it. I'm not 'mixed up'.

I mentioned Trump too. I don't know whether or not the methods employed by CA and Palantir are illegal in America, they most definitely were here. And it has affected the language of politics. It has affected the 'tribal' aspect of both British and American politics.

[Alikado]

So to sum up if only we had voted remain.

If only we had accepted repeated referendums until we had "voted the right way"

If only we had voted Jeremy in and not Boris.

If only we all leaned to the left we would all be a nice balanced and thoughtful lot expressing our views in measured tones.

All that from someone who often litters their posts with the most visceral insults.

Yours,

Confused Carrie.

It's a bit rich you going on about repeated referendums, you weren't content with the first one but the second is now sacrosanct in your eyes.

[silver fox]

Stack it anyway you wish but Brexit was the most divisive in recent times, IMO because so much of the campaign was based on emotion, rather than facts or any vestiges of policy, that division is still in existence.

[donkey22]

Stack it anyway you wish but Brexit was the most divisive in recent times, IMO because so much of the campaign was based on emotion, rather than facts or any vestiges of policy, that division is still in existence.

…..so much of the (leave) campaign was based on blatant lies…FTFY.

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There you go, being a sneering prick again. I haven't 'forgotten' it. I'm not 'mixed up'.

I mentioned Trump too. I don't know whether or not the methods employed by CA and Palantir are illegal in America, they most definitely were here. And it has affected the language of politics. It has affected the 'tribal' aspect of both British and American politics.

Terrible sorry for pointing out that you pivoted your post on something and of course you calling me a sneering prick is reasonable discourse.

What a hoot...............

[MICK/GILLY]

This lot don't seem very calm or educated to me. IMO they are, just like the Tommy Robinson lot before them, or the 'statue guardians', just angry people who've latched on to an outlet for their impotent rage. More misinformation, more buttons pushed, more 'nudges' by social media.

YouTube immunologists whose main jobs are in plumbing and nail bars? There's no scientific rationale. Maybe a human instinct to fight against something they don't understand, but still a conspiracy theory, which includes the same baddies as the rest of the demented theories - Bill Gates, the New World Order, some unknown powers that be. I've no doubt George Soros gets a mention too.

There are experts. Immunologists. Virologists. The same type that have just brought out an anti-Malaria vaccine that will save millions of lives eventually. Does anyone think that these aren't experts, but are part of a larger conspiracy that has drawn in every government in every country, along with millions and millions of highly trained medical staff worldwide?

I don't know about the vaccinated 'ganging up' on anyone. Fear them, possibly. The vaccine isn't infallible, it simply stops your symptoms getting worse. It doesn't stop you catching Covid. It reduces the chances of you spreading the virus. It reduces your chances of death or hospitalisation. but right now it doesn't stop it. And while a good percentage of the population are still happy to spread it, or don't believe it exists at all, the opportunity for mutations that kill millions more remain.

If anything, I understand the hesitancy of pregnant women to take the vaccine, but their fears will be proven or allayed around next Feb / March onwards.

Most of these in these videos are mulling about smiling with signs saying don’t jab our kids, they are mostly grey haired older generation basically walking in and out calmly of buildings, one seems to be an army guy and most are joshing with the copper on the door who for the best part is smiling and nodding along with them, this is a Pretty calm but noisy affair but for one guy in his shorts who may or may not be a nutter .

Some of these characters are real nutters eh
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8jbacLr/

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8jbP32h/

No wonder folk are sceptical. Information /disinformation As for me I don’t know what to believe .

[silver fox]

…..so much of the (leave) campaign was based on blatant lies…FTFY.

Most of it, if not all of it.

[Toodles McGinty]

Terrible sorry for pointing out that you pivoted your post on something and of course you calling me a sneering prick is reasonable discourse.

What a hoot...............

Because you were a sneering prick. Twice. Terribly sorry for pointing that out.

I guess, like the MAGA bunch, you've been well and truly nudged. A frothing loon for whom any political discourse is a complete waste of time. A besotted Boris loving Brexiteer. Obsessed with winning. Nudge. Nudge. Nudge.

But we knew that already.

[millsey]

The Toodles McGinty's Waterloo thread right here.

[Toodles McGinty]

There are two Netflix documentaries.

The Great Hack, which shows you who was illegally data mining.

And the Social Dilemma, which shows how it is done, and how your data, your social media interactions, signal to the experts in the field how you can be encouraged to vote. How you respond to language, to others with seemingly the same interests, and which adverts to throw at you.

Turning away from Brexit, even though the same people were involved, and it's still having the same Pavlovian effect on some. Trump's MAGAts are still devoted to him. Still hoping beyond hope that he will be President again. Because his team (not him, obviously) knew which words and phrases landed. Take the Capitol riots. His speech before repeated certain trigger phrases.

Stop the Steal. He used the words fight or fighting 20 times. He continually said 'if we don't fight, you're not going to have a country.

We might think that nobody can be that dumb, to be triggered so easily, but this was years in the making. Years of training. Like Pavlov's dog. We are being nudged.

[Toodles McGinty]

The Toodles McGinty's Waterloo thread right here.

You OK hun?

[millsey]

HaHa

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...m=U%20ok%20hun