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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    I can perhaps understand your reticence to have the vaccine but labelling it a snakeoil stopgap is not evidenced by the extensive data sets on its efficacy.


    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...l-data-showing

    Yes, well. You may learn something if your read up on the history of vaccinations. Do not just turn to one page that supports your theory - look up the REAL results. Notice how they claim a success of a vaccination - after the contagion had long died out on its own. Also, read up on the failures - a bit of an eye opener, there.

    Vaccinations = money, if you believe anything else, you are a fool.

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    Not mentioned in https://newyork.cbslocal.com/category/ny-news

    Did you also know that health workers including Nurses and Doctors hold the largest percentage group refusing to have the vaccination? That says a a lot, doesn't it? Forbes
    It doesn't say that, though, does it? It doesn't say "Nurses and Doctors hold the largest percentage group refusing to have the vaccination"

    "With 9 out of 10 pharmacists, and 7 out of 8 physicians apparently expressing no hesitancy over the vaccine, the holdouts among their peers may simply represent the most cautious, rather than the best informed."

    Pharmacists, who probably know more about the contents and mechanics of the vaccine, seem to be the happiest having them

    So basically, the article is saying the more ignorant you are, the less likely you are to take up the vaccine.

    Let's face it, vaccines aren't that complicated. There are probably only 4 or 5 different ways vaccines work. It's putting them together successfully that's the problem. mRNA vaccines have been around for decades. Viral vector vaccines even longer.

    Of course, they don't all have microchips from Bill Gates or a killswitch operated by 5g phone masts. Or make you sterile, so we should notice an incredible, gobsmacking drop in births from next March / April. But obviously, 'purebloods' will have to re-populate the earth. So sure, you can understand the hesitancy.

    Sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Yes, well. You may learn something if your read up on the history of vaccinations. Do not just turn to one page that supports your theory - look up the REAL results. Notice how they claim a success of a vaccination - after the contagion had long died out on its own. Also, read up on the failures - a bit of an eye opener, there.

    Vaccinations = money, if you believe anything else, you are a fool.


    They are real results, point me to some that support your view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    They are real results, point me to some that support your view.

    First look for the most famous one - Smallpox. (VIRUS) Smallpox was said to be completely eradicated in 1980, but outbreaks do still occur. It is also known to lay dormant for up to four centuries before re-occurring. Although smallpox is said to be completely eradicated, there is a real chance that it could make a comeback in 2023. Also the vaccination using dead cells was not used much, since the dangerous side effects outweighed its benefits. The side effects were found to be fatal in some cases. A modern synthetic vaccine is claimed to be a remedy for Covids, Smallpox, Cancers, etc., but does not act to prevent it.

    Of those who did contract Smallpox, the greater majority survived albeit with scars. Only those who had weakened immune systems were at risk.

    Diptheria - (BACTERIA) Usual protection is given in children before they reach the age of seven years with the vaccination (DTaP) However there have been several reports received about this vaccination causing brain damage in young children. My cousin was stopped from having it because he had a severe reaction and almost died.This disease is also overcome by the natural immune system of healthy people'

    Armed forces are obliged to be vaccinated whether they agree or not. Gulf War Syndrome has been widely published as being due to nerve gases which the soldiers were subjected to in the gulf war. This was quickly rejected by the soldiers since many who were not in the front line, also contracted the disease. It has now been published that the disease was due to an illegally administered vaccine claimed by the authoriries, to prevent harm from nerve gases. 275,000 British and US veterans who are ill, were subjected to a substance called 'squalene'that is used to increase the potency in vaccinations - this was illegal since squalene is not licensed on either side of the Atlantic due to its serious side effects.

    This is just a tip of the iceberg - I could go on and on. If you are still unsure, then go ahead, you are just as capable as I am - look for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    First look for the most famous one - Smallpox. (VIRUS) Smallpox was said to be completely eradicated in 1980, but outbreaks do still occur. It is also known to lay dormant for up to four centuries before re-occurring. Although smallpox is said to be completely eradicated, there is a real chance that it could make a comeback in 2023. Also the vaccination using dead cells was not used much, since the dangerous side effects outweighed its benefits. The side effects were found to be fatal in some cases. A modern synthetic vaccine is claimed to be a remedy for Covids, Smallpox, Cancers, etc., but does not act to prevent it.

    Of those who did contract Smallpox, the greater majority survived albeit with scars. Only those who had weakened immune systems were at risk.
    Yes, smallpox was virtually harmless, as the famous photo of brothers infected shows. One had the vaccine. I know only someone with your vast experience in virology and immunology can tell the tiny differences between the two boys. Perhaps you'd like to tell us which is which?

    Smallpox has a mortality rate of up to 30 per cent, many survivors of smallpox were left with significant scarring and even blindness.

    Yeah, no point to those vaccines.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    It doesn't say that, though, does it? It doesn't say "Nurses and Doctors hold the largest percentage group refusing to have the vaccination"

    "With 9 out of 10 pharmacists, and 7 out of 8 physicians apparently expressing no hesitancy over the vaccine, the holdouts among their peers may simply represent the most cautious, rather than the best informed."

    Pharmacists, who probably know more about the contents and mechanics of the vaccine, seem to be the happiest having them

    So basically, the article is saying the more ignorant you are, the less likely you are to take up the vaccine.

    Let's face it, vaccines aren't that complicated. There are probably only 4 or 5 different ways vaccines work. It's putting them together successfully that's the problem. mRNA vaccines have been around for decades. Viral vector vaccines even longer.

    Of course, they don't all have microchips from Bill Gates or a killswitch operated by 5g phone masts. Or make you sterile, so we should notice an incredible, gobsmacking drop in births from next March / April. But obviously, 'purebloods' will have to re-populate the earth. So sure, you can understand the hesitancy.

    Sure.
    That is just silly! Look at my response to local. It is the more AWARE you are, the more dubious you are too. I hope you know that not all nations can eat the same diets- so why is it considered that everyone can be given the same vaccinations safely? Are you not confident that God provided you with a very efficient immune system? How on Earth did man survive for thousands of years without synthetic pharmaceuticals?

    Not all medical staff have a knowledge of virology and many medical staff just do as they are told without questioning the reasons.

    It is like the Water pollution topic. Stuartli gave a link to a Water company's website. That website claimed it was doing a very important job at the highest standards - would you have expected that page to state - Oh, by the way, we also dump raw sewerage into your fishing waters??

    Do you also expect those promoting vaccinations to claim - Oh, but none of it will work??

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Not mentioned in https://newyork.cbslocal.com/category/ny-news

    Did you also know that health workers including Nurses and Doctors hold the largest percentage group refusing to have the vaccination? That says a a lot, doesn't it? Forbes
    Ah, Forbes USA, that totally impartial, anti vaccine, anti mask, Trumpublican supporting site, excellent site for information regarding all things Covid

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamyramy View Post
    if ones self employed? what then.
    If you are in contact with the general public, surely it is incumbent on you to protect your customers to the best of your ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    That is just silly! Look at my response to local. It is the more AWARE you are, the more dubious you are too. I hope you know that not all nations can eat the same diets- so why is it considered that everyone can be given the same vaccinations safely? Are you not confident that God provided you with a very efficient immune system?
    I'm not confident that God gave me anything.

    I'm more confident that evolution gave me a fair bit.

    How on Earth did man survive for thousands of years without synthetic pharmaceuticals?
    We had short lives and bred a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    First look for the most famous one - Smallpox. (VIRUS) Smallpox was said to be completely eradicated in 1980, but outbreaks do still occur. It is also known to lay dormant for up to four centuries before re-occurring. Although smallpox is said to be completely eradicated, there is a real chance that it could make a comeback in 2023. Also the vaccination using dead cells was not used much, since the dangerous side effects outweighed its benefits. The side effects were found to be fatal in some cases. A modern synthetic vaccine is claimed to be a remedy for Covids, Smallpox, Cancers, etc., but does not act to prevent it.

    Of those who did contract Smallpox, the greater majority survived albeit with scars. Only those who had weakened immune systems were at risk.

    Diptheria - (BACTERIA) Usual protection is given in children before they reach the age of seven years with the vaccination (DTaP) However there have been several reports received about this vaccination causing brain damage in young children. My cousin was stopped from having it because he had a severe reaction and almost died.This disease is also overcome by the natural immune system of healthy people'

    Armed forces are obliged to be vaccinated whether they agree or not. Gulf War Syndrome has been widely published as being due to nerve gases which the soldiers were subjected to in the gulf war. This was quickly rejected by the soldiers since many who were not in the front line, also contracted the disease. It has now been published that the disease was due to an illegally administered vaccine claimed by the authoriries, to prevent harm from nerve gases. 275,000 British and US veterans who are ill, were subjected to a substance called 'squalene'that is used to increase the potency in vaccinations - this was illegal since squalene is not licensed on either side of the Atlantic due to its serious side effects.

    This is just a tip of the iceberg - I could go on and on. If you are still unsure, then go ahead, you are just as capable as I am - look for yourself.


    So thats a very long no then................

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    That is just silly! Look at my response to local. It is the more AWARE you are, the more dubious you are too. I hope you know that not all nations can eat the same diets- so why is it considered that everyone can be given the same vaccinations safely? Are you not confident that God provided you with a very efficient immune system? How on Earth did man survive for thousands of years without synthetic pharmaceuticals?

    Not all medical staff have a knowledge of virology and many medical staff just do as they are told without questioning the reasons.

    It is like the Water pollution topic. Stuartli gave a link to a Water company's website. That website claimed it was doing a very important job at the highest standards - would you have expected that page to state - Oh, by the way, we also dump raw sewerage into your fishing waters??

    Do you also expect those promoting vaccinations to claim - Oh, but none of it will work??



    But Prof we, (well clearly not including you) haven't got a very efficient immune system last time we had a similar but far less destructive disease pandemic, Spanish Flu 1918 we lost 50 million worldwide.

    Covid despite your investigations? is a whole lot worse.

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    it was the smallpox booster that nearly killed me when i was sixteen.instructed by docs to not take further vaxxes as all id had gave adverse reactions.an now 50 yrs later expected to roll the dice with underlying health issues or i cant work to feed myself or house myself.cant be right surely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Yes, smallpox was virtually harmless, as the famous photo of brothers infected shows. One had the vaccine. I know only someone with your vast experience in virology and immunology can tell the tiny differences between the two boys. Perhaps you'd like to tell us which is which?

    Smallpox has a mortality rate of up to 30 per cent, many survivors of smallpox were left with significant scarring and even blindness.

    Yeah, no point to those vaccines.

    OK! So you show me a photo that no doubt you came across on the internet and immediately uploaded it to prove your point.

    I looked at the photo and did some research on it. These are the results I have found that illustrate why you should not believe all you are led to believe

    The photo shows images in the background related to the brand new hospital at that time in Leicester in 1901, not the old hospital which was constructed of corrugated iron. Opening of New Hospital -Newspaper Article. By the way, the new one is now part of the existing Premier Inn in Leicester.

    The isolation hospital was divided up into seven wards, four of those were for Scarlet Fever, one was for Tuberculosis, one for smallpox and one other. The isolation ward for small pox was a small ward as the disease had mostly died off by this time. However, isolation meant just that - no visitors! Yet this boy is shown in close contact with another boy. The photo may look horrific - but the boy in question is in stage four of smallpox and is actually recovering. When the pustules are evident, it means that they will now dry up and fall from the body, possibly leaving some scars. 1900 Opening of The New Hospital - Newspaper Report.

    The anti-vaccination lobby began in 1869, after it was stipulated that parents had to have a vaccination or were fined or sent to prison. Payment for the vaccinations were paid to the medical officers. In Leicester alone between 6 - 7 thousand parents found themselves in court due to the vaccination programme. The whole area of Leicester gathered together and protested against this ruling. Vaccine Controversy Newspaper Article 1896 - 1940.

    A local MP stipulated in Parliament that there was scant evidence about the efficacy of the smallpox vaccination. He said that in 1872 there was a large response in Leicester to the vaccinations and almost straight after there was an accelerated number of smallpox cases, whereas during 1888/1889 there were no vaccinations and no smallpox.

    In 1892, 312 cases of smallpox out of 362, could be traced back to just three people who had been given the vaccine.

    There were a large number of complaints, including several parents who claimed that the vaccination to prevent smallpox, caused their children to die and they refused to allow their other children to be vaccinated. Several children suffered life long disabilities due to the vaccination, while several had the vaccination and went on to die from smallpox. (Report to the Royal Commission Investigation)

    In addition to this, there was an outbreak of Erysipelas among all age groups following the vaccination. (Lancet)

    In 1902, the Registrar General made an accurate record of all the deaths from Cow Pox. By 1911, those records had been modified so that the deaths were attributed to other diseases in order to hide the vaccination results. There had been over 300 deaths in Leicester alone due to vaccinations. (Official Smallpox Report, Newspaper Article 1913)

    The Leicester Method introduced higher standards of sanitary conditions of using disinfectants and leaning of areas which brought about the end of smallpox in that area. (Leicester News Archives)

    Dr. Warner was associated with a Eugenics Group and he declared that all parents having had or had been associated with Tuberculosis should not be allowed to have children. After having worked on the smallpox ward, he then worked with mentally deficient children in a specific school. Eugenics and Public Health.

    These photographs at the time would have been sepia, so at the very least they have been tampered with.

    Queen Elizabeth also contracted smallpox. did you know that?

    The results found here support that which I claimed in my post to local. This is the sort of work I undertake as a Researcher which covers part of the work I do. Still want to call me a liar??

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post

    These photographs at the time would have been sepia, so at the very least they have been tampered with.



    The results found here support that which I claimed in my post to local. This is the sort of work I undertake as a Researcher which covers part of the work I do. Still want to call me a liar??
    You a liar? Without a shadow of a doubt.

    You don't think it shows two boys, one of which was vaccinated?

    And because the original should be sepia, it's fake?

    Perhaps the photos has been lightened to suit a web page. What do you think someone did, added a few extra dots for drama?

    You don't think that's what smallpox looks like? Try here.

    More vaccinated vs unvaccinated here.
    More of the photo:
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    You a liar Without a shadow of a doubt.

    You don't think it shows two boys, one of which was vaccinated?

    And because the original should be sepia, it's fake?

    Perhaps the photos has been lightened to suit a web page. What do you think someone did, added a few extra dots for drama?

    You don't think that's what smallpox looks like? Try here.

    More vaccinated vs unvaccinated here.
    More of the photo:
    It's despicable that Said has tried to suggest that the image is fake.

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