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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Not mentioned in https://newyork.cbslocal.com/category/ny-news

    Did you also know that health workers including Nurses and Doctors hold the largest percentage group refusing to have the vaccination? That says a a lot, doesn't it? Forbes
    It happened almost 3 weeks ago, so it isn't on the CBS front page.

    Try this: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/n...ees-fired.html





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    Quote Originally Posted by said
    OK! So you show me a photo that no doubt you came across on the internet and immediately uploaded it to prove your point.


    I looked at the photo and did some research on it. These are the results I have found that illustrate why you should not believe all you are led to believe


    The photo shows images in the background related to the brand new hospital at that time in Leicester in 1901, not the old hospital which was constructed of corrugated iron. Opening of New Hospital -Newspaper Article. By the way, the new one is now part of the existing Premier Inn in Leicester.


    The isolation hospital was divided up into seven wards, four of those were for Scarlet Fever, one was for Tuberculosis, one for smallpox and one other. The isolation ward for small pox was a small ward as the disease had mostly died off by this time. However, isolation meant just that - no visitors! Yet this boy is shown in close contact with another boy. The photo may look horrific - but the boy in question is in stage four of smallpox and is actually recovering. When the pustules are evident, it means that they will now dry up and fall from the body, possibly leaving some scars. 1900 Opening of The New Hospital - Newspaper Report.
    Wow, just wow! Some researcher you must be.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/on...-not-smallpox/

    This is a genuine photograph that was taken in the early 1900s by Dr. Allan Warner of the Isolation Hospital at Leicester in the UK. Warner photographed a number of smallpox patients in order to study the disease. In 1906, the Scottish Medical and Surgical Journal noted the importance of Warner’s work:

    Smallpox of all the eruptive fevers best lends itself to illustration by photograph, and the photographs in this fasciculus of the eruption of smallpox which it has been our good fortune to see. They are the work of Dr. Allan Warner of the Isolation Hospital at Leicester, and they show very distinctly the different stages and varieties of the small pox eruption. Their value is enhanced by the fact that the progress of the eruption is illustrated by a series of plates of one and the same patient, both in the discrete and in the confluent variety of the fever.

    Other plates are given showing cases of mild smallpox as it occurs in the vaccinated, and we are particularly impressed by the concluding series of photographs in which the advantages of vaccinations are well brought out by the method of showing side by side individuals infected from the same source, of whom one has been vaccinated and the other not. These pictures would be of the greatest use to those who give popular lectures on vaccination, and are also very useful as illustrations of modified smallpox.

    The medical journal here is referring to a series of photographs by Warner that were published in the Atlas of Clinical Medicine, Surgery, and Pathology a few years previously, in 1901. This particular photograph was originally accompanied by a caption which stated that both children were 13 years old, that they had both been infected by the same smallpox source on the same day, but that only one had received a vaccination in infancy:

    Shows two boys, both aged 13 years. The one on the right was vaccinated in infancy, the other was not vaccinated. They were both infected from the same source on the same day. Note that while the one on the left is in the fully pustular stage, the one on the right has had only two spots, which have aborted and have already scabbed.

    More photographs of this nature can also be found in this volume. For instance, the following photograph shows two sisters aged 21 and 15 who were exposed to the same source of smallpox on the same day. Again, only one of the sisters had received a vaccination

    photographs at the time would have been sepia, so at the very least they have been tampered with.

    Queen Elizabeth also contracted smallpox. did you know that?
    See above. The photos were published in the Atlas of Clinical Medicine, Surgery and Pathology in 1901.

    We've had two Queen Elizabeths. Hopefully you're aware that it was Elizabeth I who contracted smallpox, hence the white lead face makeup. Although the way you've worded your question, as if people would be surprised to hear this, I've a sneaking feeling you might think that it's our current Queen.

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    Vaccine uptake already high among NHS staff

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    Health Secretary Sajid Javid says he is minded to make Covid vaccines compulsory for the estimated 1.2 million front line health staff in England, rather than just those working in social care.

    Vaccination helps protects the individual from serious infection and death, but also reduces their chance of spreading the virus.

    From 11 November, it will be mandatory for anyone who works in a Care Quality Commission-registered care home in England to prove they are fully vaccinated, unless they have a medical exemption.

    But it appears uptake is already high. Latest figures from NHS England reveal more than nine in 10 staff in care homes for older adults have been vaccinated with at least one dose, and more than eight in 10 have had two doses.

    Javid says about 95% of NHS staff in England accepted the offer of a Covid vaccine when they became available earlier in the year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59034005

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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    we've had two queen elizabeths. Hopefully you're aware that it was elizabeth i who contracted smallpox, hence the white lead face makeup. Although the way you've worded your question, as if people would be surprised to hear this, i've a sneaking feeling you might think that it's our current queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Region View Post
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    Vaccine uptake already high among NHS staff

    Michelle Roberts
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    Health Secretary Sajid Javid says he is minded to make Covid vaccines compulsory for the estimated 1.2 million front line health staff in England, rather than just those working in social care.

    Vaccination helps protects the individual from serious infection and death, but also reduces their chance of spreading the virus.

    From 11 November, it will be mandatory for anyone who works in a Care Quality Commission-registered care home in England to prove they are fully vaccinated, unless they have a medical exemption.

    But it appears uptake is already high. Latest figures from NHS England reveal more than nine in 10 staff in care homes for older adults have been vaccinated with at least one dose, and more than eight in 10 have had two doses.

    Javid says about 95% of NHS staff in England accepted the offer of a Covid vaccine when they became available earlier in the year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59034005
    Yea I have been watching this all day and sky news are saying that there’s 100,000 NHS staff that still have refused the jab despite it being made available to them and asking how many will walk away when they make it mandatory …. And why?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY View Post
    Yea I have been watching this all day and sky news are saying that there’s 100,000 NHS staff that still have refused the jab despite it being made available to them and asking how many will walk away when they make it mandatory …. And why?.
    The unvaccinated NHS staff in question would be able to answer your question about why that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY View Post
    Yea I have been watching this all day and sky news are saying that there’s 100,000 NHS staff that still have refused the jab despite it being made available to them and asking how many will walk away when they make it mandatory …. And why?.
    The current move is to redeploy unvaccinated staff away from patient facing positions, not quite the same thing as mandatory, plus of course the vaccine status of front line staff is actually very high, the vaccine status of other workers is not of the same concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    The current move is to redeploy unvaccinated staff away from patient facing positions, not quite the same thing as mandatory, plus of course the vaccine status of front line staff is actually very high, the vaccine status of other workers is not of the same concern.
    Good point.

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    At this stage, we should be removing the option to vaccinate anyone over the age of 30, leave the option open to 18-30 year olds for another month and concentrate our efforts on the younger generation and booster jabs for those that want them.
    They have had long enough to make up their mind if they want vaccinating or not. Time to stand by your choice.


    I'm still waiting to die from the blood clots I was told I'd get after 6 months, and the mass deaths that where going to ensue. We should all have died by now, Not sure how the 10% where going to cope with removal of all our bodies.


    On a side note. I was talking to a Nurse this weekend who works in a cardio ward in the NW(No I don't know which). They are getting a lot of young (18-30) unvaccinated adults in with heart issues caused by Covid 19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceam View Post
    At this stage, we should be removing the option to vaccinate anyone over the age of 30, leave the option open to 18-30 year olds for another month and concentrate our efforts on the younger generation and booster jabs for those that want them.
    They have had long enough to make up their mind if they want vaccinating or not. Time to stand by your choice.


    I'm still waiting to die from the blood clots I was told I'd get after 6 months, and the mass deaths that where going to ensue. We should all have died by now, Not sure how the 10% where going to cope with removal of all our bodies.


    On a side note. I was talking to a Nurse this weekend who works in a cardio ward in the NW(No I don't know which). They are getting a lot of young (18-30) unvaccinated adults in with heart issues caused by Covid 19.
    Yeah, what have all the conspiracy theorists who noisily disseminated their dire predictions got to say now?!

    They're like doomsday prophets who predict the world's end on a certain year or even exact date. When the passage of time proves their prediction false, they seamlessly move onto their next, latest, equally certain end-of-the-world forecast. There's no end to doomsday prophets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Region View Post
    Yeah, what have all the conspiracy theorists who noisily disseminated their dire predictions got to say now?!

    They're like doomsday prophets who predict the world's end on a certain year or even exact date. When the passage of time proves their prediction false, they seamlessly move onto their next, latest, equally certain end-of-the-world forecast. There's no end to doomsday prophets.
    However, one day, eventually, they will be right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snig's foot View Post
    However, one day, eventually, they will be right!
    But as a general rule of thumb, these nutters who believe that this dna altering vaccine which allegedly contains aborted human fetal tissue as well as microchip surveillance technology created by Bill Gates have long since been proven wrong, because like most conspiracy theories, they’re just crazy baseless bat sh*t nonsense.

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    I have noticed a few posts seem to think that medical staff know something extra about the vaccine and this knowledge puts them off the vaccine.


    So I looked at the numbers expecting to see at least a majority of anti-vaxxers imbued with this "secret inside knowledge"


    Surely this would be where the ones not brainwashed by the mass media, large corporations and general hysteria would have their stronghold.


    Erh no 6-8% and of course, it appears many of them are not actually medically qualified and work in other areas.

    It appears that a rump of those unvaccinated are of Bame backgrounds and language difficulties figure highly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    Wow, just wow! Some researcher you must be.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/on...-not-smallpox/

    This is a genuine photograph that was taken in the early 1900s by Dr. Allan Warner of the Isolation Hospital at Leicester in the UK. Warner photographed a number of smallpox patients in order to study the disease. In 1906, the Scottish Medical and Surgical Journal noted the importance of Warner’s work:

    Smallpox of all the eruptive fevers best lends itself to illustration by photograph, and the photographs in this fasciculus of the eruption of smallpox which it has been our good fortune to see. They are the work of Dr. Allan Warner of the Isolation Hospital at Leicester, and they show very distinctly the different stages and varieties of the small pox eruption. Their value is enhanced by the fact that the progress of the eruption is illustrated by a series of plates of one and the same patient, both in the discrete and in the confluent variety of the fever.

    Other plates are given showing cases of mild smallpox as it occurs in the vaccinated, and we are particularly impressed by the concluding series of photographs in which the advantages of vaccinations are well brought out by the method of showing side by side individuals infected from the same source, of whom one has been vaccinated and the other not. These pictures would be of the greatest use to those who give popular lectures on vaccination, and are also very useful as illustrations of modified smallpox.

    The medical journal here is referring to a series of photographs by Warner that were published in the Atlas of Clinical Medicine, Surgery, and Pathology a few years previously, in 1901. This particular photograph was originally accompanied by a caption which stated that both children were 13 years old, that they had both been infected by the same smallpox source on the same day, but that only one had received a vaccination in infancy:

    Shows two boys, both aged 13 years. The one on the right was vaccinated in infancy, the other was not vaccinated. They were both infected from the same source on the same day. Note that while the one on the left is in the fully pustular stage, the one on the right has had only two spots, which have aborted and have already scabbed.

    More photographs of this nature can also be found in this volume. For instance, the following photograph shows two sisters aged 21 and 15 who were exposed to the same source of smallpox on the same day. Again, only one of the sisters had received a vaccination


    See above. The photos were published in the Atlas of Clinical Medicine, Surgery and Pathology in 1901.

    We've had two Queen Elizabeths. Hopefully you're aware that it was Elizabeth I who contracted smallpox, hence the white lead face makeup. Although the way you've worded your question, as if people would be surprised to hear this, I've a sneaking feeling you might think that it's our current Queen.
    I gave you several links to creditable reports - and you quote me a link that is less than creditable. Snopes when it first started out issued good trustworthy reporting. Then when it became heavily sponsored - it changed. Few pay any heed to its reports. It is a bait and switch company and leans towards its sponsors.

    The Daily Mail Snopes Story And Fact Checking The ... - Forbes

    https://www.forbes.com › kalevleetaru › 2016/12/22 › t..

    22 Dec 2016 — Pulling back the curtain, we find that the fact checkers may not be as open and transparent as we thought.

    Snopes Retracts 60 Articles Plagiarized by Co-Founder: ‘Our Staff Are Gutted’

    Skepticism Beats Snopes as an Antidote to Fake News - WSJ
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...rism-mikkelson

    https://www.wsj.com › Opinion › Commentary

    8 Jun 2018 — These days what's called 'fact checking' is no more than a comprehensive gotcha effort.

    One of the leading Snopes people was asked for a response to the Daily Mail report. The response was "It's Secret"

    Who fact checks the fact checkers?


    The USA are re-visiting the smallpox vaccine with the possibility of vaccinating the whole population. So successful were they in raising funds over the Covid vaccinations. But there is a problem - the smallpox vaccinations were good but carried high risks. The USA is looking to redevelop this vaccine.

    When the outbreak occurred in the 1900's in Leicester, they found out that by using the Leicester Method was far more effective than the vaccine. This involved cleaning areas and using disinfectants. Small pox was due to dirty living conditions and there are still outbreaks today in certain parts of the World.

    Since you attempted to better me on research and failed, perhaps you would like to study other vaccinations more objectively and see what you can find to support your theory.


    Last edited by said; 26/10/2021 at 12:05 PM.

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    Oh Prof you have gone and done it again, please read up on Leicester.

    The Leicester Method involved quarantining anyone suspected of having smallpox and vaccinating suspected contacts. All those working at the quarantine hospital were vaccinated as well as the guards posted on the roads. This anticipated the ring vaccination approach used by the WHO which ended smallpox, which involves locating cases of smallpox and vaccinating anyone who might have come in contact with them.

    That's in the BMJ

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