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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Southport has quite a high Polish population and Muslims and Poles don't mix too well.

    0.1% of the population in Poland.
    From Said's forum anecdotes there would seem to be thousands of Polish people -and Turkish barbers- in Southport, all personally known to Said and all endlessly stopping to have intimate chats with him/her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    A) Or us invading their countries, and having the gall to object to them living a way of life that's different than ours.

    B) Most of the attacks in the UK and elsewhere are home grown disaffected youth with no official ties to a known terrorist group.

    (Edited to change 'bombings' to 'attacks')
    A) Europeans aren't in occupation of any non-European countries - well almost none.
    So, virtually no justification now for these 'attacks' on European soil.

    B) Age does appear to be a factor. Even so, these anti-European attacks are either perpetrated by migrants, or their descendants. In that, I'd include the nutters who carried out 9/11, who at some stage had to have relocated to the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Checked it life expectancy for those males born in 1900 43.7
    "Improvements in nutrition, hygiene, housing, sanitation, control of infectious diseases and other public health measures have reduced mortality rates, increasing life expectancy to 56 years for males and 59 years for females by 1920."

    If that hadn't been the case, the probability is that I would never have arrived (no doubt to the pleasure or relief of some people!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A) Europeans aren't in occupation of any non-European countries - well almost none.
    So, virtually no justification now for these 'attacks' on European soil.
    Could you forgive and forget the death of around a quarter of a million civilians in your own country? That was the cost in Iraq. And for what? I can't justify terrorist attacks either. But I can understand why we are hated. Put the shoe on the other foot and imagine what it would be like to lose so many family members and friends, and see everything you had destroyed.

    BTW, attacks have not just been on European soil.
    B) Age does appear to be a factor. Even so, these anti-European attacks are either perpetrated by migrants, or their descendants. In that, I'd include the nutters who carried out 9/11, who at some stage had to have relocated to the USA.
    The 9/11 hijackers were seasoned members of al-Qaeda. Their attack was planned and carried out with military like precision. There is no comparison to them and the ones we've seen since then. The majority were from that wonderful ally of the US... Saudi Arabia. I believe the main players arrived in the US throughout 2000. The bit players arrived in 2001. They weren't what I would call migrants. They went to the US for one purpose only.

    On the issue of it only being migrants or their descendants attacking Western countries. What about all of the white British born and bred guys who flew out to join Isis? And not just Brits. Other white guys from Canada, the US, Australia, to name a few. They may not have been trying to kill their own kind on their own soil, but they sure as hell had a yearning to kill them elsewhere.

    STILL NO NAME FOR THE 'IN LIVING MEMORY' COUNTRY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    STILL NO NAME FOR THE 'IN LIVING MEMORY' COUNTRY?
    I think that anyone and everyone following this thread agrees with the conclusion that the PNP was referring to 'Jews' and Israel.

    Although -yet again- the PNP has caught himself out, I doubt he'll admit having done so as that'd accord him the dubious 'achievement' of having sounded anti-Semitic and Islamophobic within a single thread! Even Said never managed that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Life expectancy around 1900 was only around 45 for men slightly more for women.

    https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publica...ctancy-england

    Infant Mortality (before 1st birthday) was around 20% in 1900, 23% for under 5's

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ortality-rate/

    Can't seem to find figures for older children but with a life expectancy in the 40's thing weren't bright and rosey.
    Returning to the notion of a 70 to 80% death rate for kids not surviving to adulthood, I see (via the link below) that the UK youth mortality rate back in 1950, near enough several generations ago, was 4.20%. I expect you would have to go back a lot further to find a 70 to 80% youth mortality rate.

    In fact, it can be seen that the world youth mortality rate graph, which dates back to 400 BCE, records an example high of 62% in Mexico between 550-700 CE.

    https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    History-dunce.
    The PNP would be a contender the world's worst history lecturer!

    His 'A History of Africa' early evening lecture would start with a showing of the 1964 documentary, 'Zulu'...



    ...followed by a Q&A session about it, before moving onto a talk rhapsodising about Rousseau's concept of the 'noble savage'...and then concluding with a showing of the 1941 documentary, 'Road to Zanzibar' with frequent pauses 'n' commentary provided by the PNP...




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    Stop The War are excellent on the consequences of the West's foreign policy leading to failed states, massive population displacement and a many fold increase in terrorism.

    "The Afghan disaster was of course just the longest in a series of catastrophic recent Western military interventions. The invasion of Iraq and the bombing of Syria and Libya were each presented as attempts to liberate a population from tyranny. In reality, each has deepened the crisis and the carnage in the countries targeted. The attacks have helped generate a series of failed states across the regions affected. One of the results has been an unprecedented displacement of people in the region and beyond that the media call a “refugee crisis.”

    Another unremarked result has been a dramatic spread in terrorist organisation. In 2001 jihadist terrorism had little presence beyond Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, the country of origin of 15 of those involved in the 9/11 attacks.

    Since the launch of the war terrorist organisation has spread across an arc stretching from Central Asia through the Middle East and deep into Sub-Saharan Africa."


    https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/2...war-on-terror/

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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    A) Could you forgive and forget the death of around a quarter of a million civilians in your own country? That was the cost in Iraq. And for what? I can't justify terrorist attacks either. But I can understand why we are hated. Put the shoe on the other foot and imagine what it would be like to lose so many family members and friends, and see everything you had destroyed.

    BTW, attacks have not just been on European soil.

    B) The 9/11 hijackers were seasoned members of al-Qaeda. Their attack was planned and carried out with military like precision. There is no comparison to them and the ones we've seen since then. The majority were from that wonderful ally of the US... Saudi Arabia. I believe the main players arrived in the US throughout 2000. The bit players arrived in 2001. They weren't what I would call migrants. They went to the US for one purpose only.

    On the issue of it only being migrants or their descendants attacking Western countries. What about all of the white British born and bred guys who flew out to join Isis? And not just Brits. Other white guys from Canada, the US, Australia, to name a few. They may not have been trying to kill their own kind on their own soil, but they sure as hell had a yearning to kill them elsewhere.

    STILL NO NAME FOR THE 'IN LIVING MEMORY' COUNTRY?
    A) We're not in Iraque (or even Afghanistan) any more - but that fact didn't stop the recent Liverpool 'bomb boy'.

    B) Those of a terrorist nature who blend in with regular migrants having 'death to the infidels' on their minds, won't necessarily wait years before becoming violent.
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    You have to say the stop the war coalition and its followers exist on a sea of fantasy.

    I must look again at those nice Taliban people clearly I have had a distorted view of them and many others.

    I presume stop the war doesn't have too many women members or Jewish or Kurds.

    Imagine going after a despot, murdering, raping, dictator who used weapons of mass destruction on his own people.

    Obviously a little treasure, I wonder what they would have done with Hitler and his cronies obvious really,

    Heil Hitler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A) We're not in Iraque (or even Afghanistan) any more - but that fact didn't stop the recent Liverpool 'bomb boy'.

    B) Migrants with 'death to the infidels' on their minds, won't necessarily wait years before becoming violent.
    I think you might have just created the term 'bomb boy'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    We might be a civilised country - but we have lots of cold wet weather, that would put anyone off coming here.

    Are you talking about people from Pakistan or India? Those from Pakistan have built up a Brotherhood here in the UK and it is easy to make £millions from nothing because they have brothers in every related trade. Similar to the Turkish people - money comes easy when you have great accountants. Many from India come to Europe to escape the caste system. In India those of the lower castes remain as such throughout their lives, but here in the UK they can rise above that especially in the medical profession. Polish immigrants come here because we are far more lenient. Poland is basically a Catholic country and they are far stricter with e.g. illegal drug use - a large number of Polish people drink heavy and use illegal drugs, especially if they are working unsociable hours in the UK. In Poland if found using illegal drugs it means immediate jail time. Although publicly accepted, LGBT is in reality frowned upon. Many Polish who had to take out British Citizenship after Brexit - returned home because they would have had to pay full taxes, and also because the IR35 came in then. Lithuanians find it easier, they use the Roman alphabet as we do, but many have now returned back to Lithuania, because they could not settle here they preferred their own country. The Romanians, are here to work. The political situation is (laughably) more honest for them in the UK - apart from their accent, they fit in with the British easily and make far better neighbours than many British people. I like the Sikhs, they have a great sense of humour and are genuine and selfless.

    The reasons are varied and many. We have good immigrants and many bad - but what the hell, we have our own good and bad population anyway.
    You should team up with the PNP for a lecture tour.


    Although publicly accepted, LGBT is in reality frowned upon.
    You just couldn't resist slipping in a quick one about LGBT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    You have to say the stop the war coalition and its followers exist on a sea of fantasy.

    I must look again at those nice Taliban people clearly I have had a distorted view of them and many others.

    I presume stop the war doesn't have too many women members or Jewish or Kurds.

    Imagine going after a despot, murdering, raping, dictator who used weapons of mass destruction on his own people.

    Obviously a little treasure, I wonder what they would have done with Hitler and his cronies obvious really,

    Heil Hitler.
    The "fantasy" here is believing Western interventions didn't make things much, much worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    STILL NO NAME FOR THE 'IN LIVING MEMORY' COUNTRY?
    Bump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly Trott View Post
    The "fantasy" here is believing Western interventions didn't make things much, much worse.


    Of course not the world was such a great place before we went around it.

    We introduced the Caste system into that beacon of civility India even filling their streets with sewage on the way out.

    Afghanistan was such a peaceful place before we appeared.

    Such an equal civilised society growing flowers run by women I believe.

    Our darkest hours were of course in Africa, we taught them how to capture and sell their citizens, even worse cannibals were vegans till we rocked up.

    Iran of course is forced to produce Atomic weapons by us whilst their people struggle, and we made them be nasty to Israel.

    That little fat chap in North Korea he is severely misunderstood he's just playing with his toys.

    Back to that little treasure Hitler he was of course just having a sightseeing trip.

    Do you have to wear very rose tinted glasses to be a member of the stop the war coalition?

    They could have a chat with Putin and China and tell them to stop massing troops and that they need to come in and go to bed.

    The rather hard reality is there our an awful lot of people out there who have never been "nice"

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