Immigration

[local]

Abolish Schengen.
Migrants will apply for asylum only with honesty of Birth Country produced.

All successful asylum claims will be welcomed across all European democracy's.



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"French officials say people smugglers exploit the free circulation of people among Schengen countries and shortcomings in cross-border police cooperation to evade arrests.

“[The smugglers] are international and play with our borders,” said Darmanin on Thursday. “We tell our Belgian friends, our German friends that we cannot be alone in this fight.”


https://www.politico.eu/article/peop...nel-migration/

We don't want them to abolish Schengen it's certainly not in our interests.

The new German Government is looking towards further pushing the Federal Europe that we were told wasn't going to happen.


Even died in the wool remoaners will cotton on to this and maybe not publicly but thank the gods were out of it privately.

[sandGroundZero]

"Don't know where you got the text from, but it's wrong.
Nationalist movements peaked about 2 years ago and Le Pen is struggling to make the final
2. Looks likely to be Macron vs Zemmour and Macron is favourite."

It matters little who becomes the next French President. Macron is tacking (further) to the right to head off his likely opponent. As for 'peak' nationalist movements, you'll (we'll all) be improbably lucky.

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[bensherman]

Nationalist/populist parties have seen their votes decline in Austria, Netherlands, Germany, Belgium..

[sandGroundZero]

Nationalist/populist parties have seen their votes decline in Austria, Netherlands, Germany, Belgium..

“One swallow does not make a summer, neither does one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy.” — Aristotle, The Nicomachean Ethics

Aristotle

Parliamentarians in the UK, Europe and elsewhere have adopted anti-immigration policies in a vain attempt to defuse populists' appeal. The effect has been to limit legal avenues, increase the risks of migration and encourage yet more anti-immigrant political pressure.

[sandGroundZero]

A French Presidential election campaign is under way. Whether it is Mme. Le Pen or Eric Zemmour or indeed, President Macron who becomes the French President, nationalist sentiment is not going away notwithstanding having been rebuffed for the time being in western Europe. Climate change along with the pressure of human population growth and technological developments directed to consumerism will see to that.

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It seems inescapable that there will be conflict and human suffering associated with migratory pressure. Protocols developed since 1945 will certainly come under strain in the decades ahead. The future appears bleak — for us, as well as for the migrants from stricken countries.

[bensherman]

Local wanted to know what Brexit has to do with what is happening.

1. We have no formal means anymore of addressing policing across the Channel. We rely on good will, of which there is now very little.

2. We have disconnected from the shared EU criminal database. Apart from the difficulty this gives our police generally, this makes the processing of asylum applications more difficult

3. We left the Dublin Regulation which provides a means of requesting other EU countries to take back migrants who first arrived there.

Of course no doubt this was all discussed in 2016, wasn't it? And on the list of issues to be addressed in the withdrawal negotiations?

It's a supreme irony that so many people voted to reduce or eliminate immigration and that they have in fact made it more likely...

[local]

Local wanted to know what Brexit has to do with what is happening.

1. We have no formal means anymore of addressing policing across the Channel. We rely on good will, of which there is now very little.

2. We have disconnected from the shared EU criminal database. Apart from the difficulty this gives our police generally, this makes the processing of asylum applications more difficult

3. We left the Dublin Regulation which provides a means of requesting other EU countries to take back migrants who first arrived there.

Of course no doubt this was all discussed in 2016, wasn't it? And on the list of issues to be addressed in the withdrawal negotiations?

It's a supreme irony that so many people voted to reduce or eliminate immigration and that they have in fact made it more likely...

If only history supported your view.


Take yourself back to those misty sunny uplands a time of our membership of the EU 2015


David Cameron was Prime Minister and migrants were hanging under lorries in Calais ;

He said the UK government wanted to see better documentation of migrants coming into Europe via the Mediterranean.

The PM said he had discussed putting more border staff and sniffer dog teams in Calais.

He added ministers needed to act to:

Ensure better security at Calais, in co-operation with French authorities
Work with European partners to stop the problem "at source", breaking the link between travelling to Europe by boat and "getting settlement" in Europe


Who fixed the leaking french border in Calais but us.


Thats why they are now in dinghy's as the old joke goes if only Hitler had thought of Dinghies.

We don't need a return agreement we need a secure border so that our lifeboat people aren't picking up Frances failures.

France has agreed in July to take back the migrants they should stick to it.

[sandGroundZero]

Valérie Pécresse

In the French Presidential election campaign two of the contenders in the first round are Valérie Pécresse of Les Républicains versus the Socialists' Anne Hidalgo. The pair have sparred over over traffic calming and other environmental measures in Paris — Mme. Hidalgo is Paris' mayor while Mme. Pécresse has presided over the Regional Council of Île-de-France. Neither are currently polling well enough to threaten Macron's lead; nor are either favoured to progress to the second round of the French Presidential election. C'est la vie!

Anne Hidalgo

[said]

Nationalist/populist parties have seen their votes decline in Austria, Netherlands, Germany, Belgium..

Since the followers of populism have not got a clue as to what it is they are seeking, that is not a bad thing.

[bensherman]

Had an interesting chat with a Brit who has lived In France for about ten years.

He mentioned something we don't seem to have grasped.

France admits FOUR times as many immigrants as we do.

Of course, not everybody is happy about that.

So even politicians who are relaxed about immigration are not keen to help us return those who want to come to the UK. And especially not after we have spent years being abusive towards France. They see no need to be helpful and have no EU obligations towards us either.

He is amazed at how badly we have played this.

[Kippax]

Had an interesting chat with a Brit who has lived In France for about ten years.

He mentioned something we don't seem to have grasped.

France admits FOUR times as many immigrants as we do.

Of course, not everybody is happy about that.

So even politicians who are relaxed about immigration are not keen to help us return those who want to come to the UK. And especially not after we have spent years being abusive towards France. They see no need to be helpful and have no EU obligations towards us either.

He is amazed at how badly we have played this.

France is almost 2.5 times larger than the UK by area and has less total population than us, on that basis alone common sense says that they should take more than us.

Again there is a difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants, I don’t think anyone is against “controlled” immigration, it’s the fact that we currently have absolutely no idea who we are letting in, where they are from or their backgrounds.

[local]

Had an interesting chat with a Brit who has lived In France for about ten years.

He mentioned something we don't seem to have grasped.

France admits FOUR times as many immigrants as we do.

Of course, not everybody is happy about that.

So even politicians who are relaxed about immigration are not keen to help us return those who want to come to the UK. And especially not after we have spent years being abusive towards France. They see no need to be helpful and have no EU obligations towards us either.

He is amazed at how badly we have played this.

Are you sure your not Saids alter ego with your "friends said"


How many immigrants France has let in is totally irrelevant to people coming across the world's busiest shipping lane in paddling pools and drowning.

We have lost patience with Frances lies understandably, they offer to do something then renege on it.

Priti Patel has been remarkably restrained.

They have form and we end up sorting out the problem as at Calais lorry park.

[bensherman]

It is highly relevant to us expecting them to defend our own frontier, a topic we have made such a fuss about in the last five years.

They think, understandably, they have other priorities.

[Alikado]

Are you sure your not Saids alter ego with your "friends said"


How many immigrants France has let in is totally irrelevant to people coming across the world's busiest shipping lane in paddling pools and drowning.

We have lost patience with Frances lies understandably, they offer to do something then renege on it.

Priti Patel has been remarkably restrained.

They have form and we end up sorting out the problem as at Calais lorry park.

The French don't give a toss about who is trying to leave France, they never have and never will because it is our problem not theirs.

[MICK/GILLY]

France may have taken in more people than us but with the correct paperwork, with passports, checks and permission and legally entering and at least they know who they are and where they have come from, who knows with the ones we have legally taken and the ones that have entered illegally we may have taken more than you think