The Saga of Sefton Cycle Lanes

[bensherman]

I live in Talbot Street and I am broadly in favour of the changes even though they will make access to our house a little more complicated.

However I wonder if all the issues have been considered. For example, the bin lorry will have to at some point do a three-point turn in our road as the Aughton Road junction will be closed.

Also the One Stop shop receives deliveries via a large articulated truck about 3 times a week. I think that will find the proposed exit and entry routes pretty difficult.

[The PNP]

I live in Talbot Street and I am broadly in favour of the changes even though they will make access to our house a little more complicated.

However I wonder if all the issues have been considered. For example, the bin lorry will have to at some point do a three-point turn in our road as the Aughton Road junction will be closed.

Also the One Stop shop receives deliveries via a large articulated truck about 3 times a week. I think that will find the proposed exit and entry routes pretty difficult.

I'm sure the people at Tech Services will have taken deliveries into account. Having said that, there are zones within some towns, where delivery vehicles are limited to 7.5tons. Bringing in a weight limit of that sort, might be no bad thing in what is predominantly a residential area.

[Stuartli]

I'm sure the people at Tech Services will have taken deliveries into account. Having said that, there are zones within some towns, where delivery vehicles are limited to 7.5tons. Bringing in a weight limit of that sort, might be no bad thing in what is predominantly a residential area.

Has it not struck you why a retail outlet would require at least three large truck deliveries a week?

Furthermore, have you not comprehended just how many delivery vehicles of 7.5 tonne limit would be needed to make up the equivalent number of deliveries?

Thought not...

[silver fox]

I'm sure the people at Tech Services will have taken deliveries into account. Having said that, there are zones within some towns, where delivery vehicles are limited to 7.5tons. Bringing in a weight limit of that sort, might be no bad thing in what is predominantly a residential area.

You could always take over delivery with your bike, trailer and panniers, might take one or two trips though.

This is where your fanaticism and reality part company, sadly all your dreams are working from false parameters, you babble on about 30% of car journeys could be taken by bike, however what you fail to take into account that while possible in theory, how many are practical or feasible? plus of course that does not equate to removing 30% of cars from the roads, far from it, in reality a very small % are likely to convert to a bike on a regular basis, the first hint of winter will see most bikes laid up until spring, apart from the odd leisure ride on a nice day.

[The PNP]

You could always take over delivery with your bike, trailer and panniers, might take one or two trips though.

This is where your fanaticism and reality part company, sadly all your dreams are working from false parameters, you babble on about 30% of car journeys could be taken by bike, however what you fail to take into account that while possible in theory, how many are practical or feasible? plus of course that does not equate to removing 30% of cars from the roads, far from it, in reality a very small % are likely to convert to a bike on a regular basis, the first hint of winter will see most bikes laid up until Spring, apart from the odd leisure ride on a nice day.

Some bikes will be'laid up', others will continue in use - inc mine. Apart from anything else, it's wise to get out frequently - or you lose all that hard won muscle-mass that was gained during Summer.

[The PNP]

Has it not struck you why a retail outlet would require at least three large truck deliveries a week?

Furthermore, have you not comprehended just how many delivery vehicles of 7.5 tonne limit would be needed to make up the equivalent number of deliveries?

Thought not...

It will be an unbelievably profitable corner shop, that requires three artics-full of stock per week!

[said]

It will be an unbelievably profitable corner shop, that requires three artics-full of stock per week!

Yes, they use an artic lorry but it only delivers part of its load to each shop. For the One Stop Shop, the distribution centre is in Manchester over by Norton. Considering how many Tesco/One Stop shops there are - there are only 20 Distribution places in the UK.

Asda have 26
Lidl have 13
Morrisons have 8

[The PNP]

Yes, they use an artic lorry but it only delivers part of its load to each shop. For the One Stop Shop, the distribution centre is in Manchester over by Norton. Considering how many Tesco/One Stop shops there are - there are only 20 Distribution places in the UK.

Asda have 26
Lidl have 13
Morrisons have 8

That sounds a lot more like it. In other words, a 7.5tonner could be used in a situation where circumstances called for it.....Stu's comment turns out as per usual, to be yet another example of his trademark 'one (or two) line put-downs'.

[Stuartli]

That sounds a lot more like it. In other words, a 7.5tonner could be used in a situation where circumstances called for it.....Stu's comment turns out as per usual, to be yet another example of his trademark 'one (or two) line put-downs'.

Wrong. You just can't bear to think that anyone or any company would use four-wheel vehicles except, of course, yourself.

Tesco's One Shops and Express outlets are very numerous - it would be completely pointless to send out dozens of smaller delivery vehicles when larger ones can be used to do it more economically in towns and cities on each run.

[Desert Region]

That sounds a lot more like it.

Unquestioningly basing a conclusion off 'research' information provided by Said!

[The PNP]

Wrong. You just can't bear to think that anyone or any company would use four-wheel vehicles except, of course, yourself.

Tesco's One Shops and Express outlets are very numerous - it would be completely pointless to send out dozens of smaller delivery vehicles when larger ones can be used to do it more economically in towns and cities on each run.

It wouldn't be necessary to send out 'dozens' of 7.5tonners, to service one or perhaps two corner shops in the affected area....Not unless you believe Stu's fantastic claim, that a single shop gets through three full artic-loads of goods per week - eek!

[Alikado]

It wouldn't be necessary to send out 'dozens' of 7.5tonners, to service one or perhaps two corner shops in the affected area....Not unless you believe Stu's fantastic claim, that a single shop gets through three full artic-loads of goods per week - eek!

.........and where would we find all the additional drivers from ?

[The PNP]

.........and where would we find all the additional drivers from ?

Not a problem....Unlike artics, 7.5tonners can be driven on many car licenses.

N.B. As it happens, 7.5tonners are in use elsewhere where there is a 7.5ton limit.

[justbecause]

This debate gets more and more ridiculous with each post. The village idiot now proposes to replace articulated vehicles with 7.5 tonnes. A 7.5 tonner carries a maximum of six pallets compared to an artic which carries twenty six. So for each artic taken off the the road, it would need to be replaced by FIVE 7.5 tonners, and sometimes even more. Given that a 7.5 tonner only has a payload capacity of about 3000kg, and when carrying heavy items like tinned products, the actual carrying capacity would be reduced to about three pallets. Distribution companies would collectively need to invest £billions in changing their fleets, they would also need at least FIVE times as many drivers, at a time when the Country as a whole has a shortfall of an estimated 100000 drivers.

The difference in the emissions produced by an artic, and a 7.5 tonner aren’t that much different, certainly nothing like five fold, meaning that clogging up our Towns and Cities with smaller vehicles would massively increase pollution levels.
Distribution companies are currently investing vast sums of money in making their delivery vehicles, both tractor units and trailers more environmentally friendly, and they are now amongst some of the lowest polluting vehicles on the roads today.

Before the idiots on here, (yes you know who you are) start attacking me, I haven’t just made these figures up, I spent my entire working career (50 years) involved in food distribution, utilising 7.5 tonne vehicles, right up to 44 tonne artics, and every size in between.

[Little Londoner]

This debate gets more and more ridiculous with each post. The village idiot now proposes to replace articulated vehicles with 7.5 tonnes. A 7.5 tonner carries a maximum of six pallets compared to an artic which carries twenty six. So for each artic taken off the the road, it would need to be replaced by FIVE 7.5 tonners, and sometimes even more. Given that a 7.5 tonner only has a payload capacity of about 3000kg, and when carrying heavy items like tinned products, the actual carrying capacity would be reduced to about three pallets. Distribution companies would collectively need to invest £billions in changing their fleets, they would also need at least FIVE times as many drivers, at a time when the Country as a whole has a shortfall of an estimated 100000 drivers.

The difference in the emissions produced by an artic, and a 7.5 tonner aren’t that much different, certainly nothing like five fold, meaning that clogging up our Towns and Cities with smaller vehicles would massively increase pollution levels.
Distribution companies are currently investing vast sums of money in making their delivery vehicles, both tractor units and trailers more environmentally friendly, and they are now amongst some of the lowest polluting vehicles on the roads today.

Before the idiots on here, (yes you know who you are) start attacking me, I haven’t just made these figures up, I spent my entire working career (50 years) involved in food distribution, utilising 7.5 tonne vehicles, right up to 44 tonne artics, and every size in between.

Don't expect any favourable replies from him he doesn't take knowledge and experience from anyone who makes him look a fool. How many times have I asked him about the major problems that are going to gridlock the Churchtown/Crossens/Marshside area with the width reduction of Cambridge Rd/Preston New Road.

He has no answer hence no replies, he is like Comical Ali in Baghdad telling the world the coalition forces are not in Baghdad while US Army trucks roll past behind him.