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Car-Free Days!
There's talk of introducing car-free days to the Peak District and possibly the Lake District.....Whilst many a lazy car-bound day tripper will squeal in abject horror at the very prospect, those who visit these wonderful places to enjoy walking, cycling etc, will surely agree with the proposals.
Having cycled in both areas this Summer, I can vouch for the reports of traffic queues and congestion caused by the mass influx of private cars. Yes, getting there and back by public transport can be problematic and time-consuming. However, provision of parking on the perimeter of sensitive areas, whilst prohibiting driving within designated areas, makes perfect sense.
Many narrow lanes have no pavements, forcing hikers to walk in the roadway, where the ever-present threat of being hit by some hurray-henry in a fast car is never far from mind. Same for cyclists, who are effectively in the same boat as the hiker, constantly riding defensively with ears tuned to detect the approaching roar of engines. Desperately hoping there will be enough space at the side, to avoid a painful knockoff.
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Originally Posted by The PNP
There's talk of introducing car-free days to the Peak District and possibly the Lake District.....Whilst many a lazy car-bound day tripper will squeal in abject horror at the very prospect, those who visit these wonderful places to enjoy walking, cycling etc, will surely agree with the proposals.
Having cycled in both areas this Summer, I can vouch for the reports of traffic queues and congestion caused by the mass influx of private cars. Yes, getting there and back by public transport can be problematic and time-consuming. However, provision of parking on the perimeter of sensitive areas, whilst prohibiting driving within designated areas, makes perfect sense.
Many narrow lanes have no pavements, forcing hikers to walk in the roadway, where the ever-present threat of being hit by some hurray-henry in a fast car is never far from mind. Same for cyclists, who are effectively in the same boat as the hiker, constantly riding defensively with ears tuned to detect the approaching roar of engines. Desperately hoping there will be enough space at the side, to avoid a painful knockoff.
More of your selfish, self-serving drivel.
If people can't get to remote famous places and beauty spots, then the area's economy and businesses will gradually fall by the wayside.
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Originally Posted by Stuartli
More of your selfish, self-serving drivel.
If people can't get to remote famous places and beauty spots, then the area's economy and businesses will gradually fall by the wayside.
If all they're going there for, is to do their shopping - best they stay at home and drive round to Tesco instead - duh!
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Originally Posted by The PNP
If all they're going there for, is to do their shopping - best they stay at home and drive round to Tesco instead - duh!
Why did I not expect you to be all over this like a rash?
The people going to our various National Parks do so to enjoy the scenery, to walk and yes cycle in those areas, problem is. that on their own figures 90% of visitors arrive by car.
Sure keeping areas car free would be better for walkers and cyclists, but if they can't get there in the first place, what then? You probably didn't take note of actual visitors who spoke, one said great, if car parking spaces are provided and shuttle buses available to get to where they want to go, another couple when public transport was mentioned, were very clear, public transport would take far too long, with the obvious return journey, not much time left for walking, which is why they travel to the area in the first place.
This simple ban the car (which of course is your ideal) isn't really that simple, so many places want the visitors, but don't want their cars, there must be/are solutions, but simple bans aren't one of them.
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Originally Posted by Stuartli
Yet again you prove that you are quite incapable of understanding simple English.
I'm referring to the population and businesses of those who live in areas of natural beauty or notable attractions, NOT those visiting it.
DUH...
I am sure the people who live in these places, aren't too pleased when their otherwise quiet lanes are choked by thousands of trippers cars. Time surely, that something was done.
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Originally Posted by silver fox
Why did I not expect you to be all over this like a rash?
The people going to our various National Parks do so to enjoy the scenery, to walk and yes cycle in those areas, problem is. that on their own figures 90% of visitors arrive by car.
Sure keeping areas car free would be better for walkers and cyclists, but if they can't get there in the first place, what then? You probably didn't take note of actual visitors who spoke, one said great, if car parking spaces are provided and shuttle buses available to get to where they want to go, another couple when public transport was mentioned, were very clear, public transport would take far too long, with the obvious return journey, not much time left for walking, which is why they travel to the area in the first place.
This simple ban the car (which of course is your ideal) isn't really that simple, so many places want the visitors, but don't want their cars, there must be/are solutions, but simple bans aren't one of them.
I agree that public transport leaves a lot to be desired. It's quite understandable then, that for many folk cars are the only practical way to get there. But that doesn't have to mean driving the things right to the very heart of these sensitive areas.
Providing visitors car-parks around the perimeter, served by electric shuttle busses are probably the best way forward. I for one, would definitely choose to go on the car-free days. I'd be happy to park wherever was recommended and then hop on the bike to enjoy the best of the place from the saddle.
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I'd hazard that members of the pro-cycling, anti-car, racism enthusiast BNPNP are expected to uniquely combine anti-car sentiment with racist stereotypes, as in:
Originally Posted by The PNP
I was trying to say that native populations living eco-friendly jungle lifestyles were/are better for the planet, than 'westernised' populations. Because thanks to our interference in their countries, they now drive/aspire to drive cars and trucks, buy tv's, consume western products, generate plastic waste etc, and therefore emit CO2. Also, that if they had never seen a whiteman or been told that Europe existed, they wouldn't all be trying to get here now!
Originally Posted by The PNP
Yes, it does appear that immigrant groups often go in for large families....Which in turn necessitates them to buy large passenger-capacity cars.
Originally Posted by The PNP
I've noticed that too, particularly on visiting well known beauty spots. When a family 'people carrier' disgorges, along with Mum and Dad, a fair number of kids typically pile out.
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^Regardless which ethnic groups visitors to these areas are comprised of, all who go will benefit from car-free days. And let's face it, big cars like people-carriers and Chelsea tractors take up a lot of square-footage and can be very hard to pass on a narrow lane!
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The rather obvious point for our resident dunce is the overwhelming majority of the Lake District is not accessible by car already and quite a lot is difficult by bike.
Walking is fine but if you think the businesses are going to survive off a tight cyclist smelling of smoke then your in fantasy land.
Obstructing your punters is a pretty weird business model.
When Tesco closes its car park at Kew I might have to have a rethink.
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Originally Posted by The PNP
I am sure the people who live in these places, aren't too pleased when their otherwise quiet lanes are choked by thousands of trippers cars. Time surely, that something was done.
I'm quite sure that those many thousands who rely on visitors to the area keeping them in gainful employment would very quickly put two fingers up to your one item agenda.
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Originally Posted by The PNP
I agree that public transport leaves a lot to be desired. It's quite understandable then, that for many folk cars are the only practical way to get there. But that doesn't have to mean driving the things right to the very heart of these sensitive areas.
Providing visitors car-parks around the perimeter, served by electric shuttle busses are probably the best way forward. I for one, would definitely choose to go on the car-free days. I'd be happy to park wherever was recommended and then hop on the bike to enjoy the best of the place from the saddle.
Have you any concept of the sheer size, for example, of the Lake District or the Peak District? Or what the overall length of the perimeter would be?
Thought not.
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Originally Posted by Stuartli
Have you any concept of the sheer size, for example, of the Lake District or the Peak District? Or what the overall length of the perimeter would be?
Thought not.
As a long-time visitor, of course I'm aware of the large area the Lakes etc, encompass.....I'd envisage the Lakes to be divided into separate zones, perhaps based on the coverage of the four Ordnance Survey maps of the area. I feel sure it will be possible to allow traffic movement on a small handful of main routes, to allow visitors to access the schemes car-parks.
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Originally Posted by The PNP
Yes, it does appear that immigrant groups often go in for large families....Which in turn necessitates them to buy large passenger-capacity cars.
Originally Posted by The PNP
I've noticed that too, particularly on visiting well known beauty spots. When a family 'people carrier' disgorges, along with Mum and Dad, a fair number of kids typically pile out.
It must be difficult for the ant-car racism enthusiasts of the BNPNP to form a position on what they want to do about immigrant groups in people carriers. On the one hand, they don't want to have to witness immigrant families "disgorging" out of them into "well known beauty spots" but on the other hand at least when immigrant families are in people carriers they don't also have to witness immigrant families as they travel in to those beauty spots.
This could also play into why the BNPNP especially don't like immigrants travelling in rubber dinghies. The thought of immigrant families "disgorging" from rubber dinghies is distressing enough for them, but the added trauma of having to see pictures of immigrant families travelling in aboard open-top, uncovered rubber dinghies can prove too much. An unimpeded view of immigrant families is always stress-inducing for the BNPNP.
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Originally Posted by The PNP
I am sure the people who live in these places, aren't too pleased when their otherwise quiet lanes are choked by thousands of trippers cars. Time surely, that something was done.
Many of whom would have known exactly what they were buying into. A bit like those who purchase houses in close proximity to an airport and then constantly complain about aircraft noise.
Just be yourself, no one else is better qualified!!
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