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    That Christmas party

    I actually felt sorry for the government stooge on Today this morning being asked by Justin Webb about last year's Downing Street Christmas party.
    Webb asked repeatedly if there was a party. The guy kept saying all the regulations had been observed.

    But the regulations couldn't have been observed. At that time we couldn't even meet with our families, let alone have parties.

    Webb rightly pursued the point...the guy said " I don't know if there was a party. I wasn't there"....but you just said ....


    It must be awful to be a spokesman for this bunch of clowns , all the time knowing that you can't trust them to back you up anyway.

    It's hard to know whether it's the blissful arrogance or the world-class incompetence that is more depressing.





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    They addressed this last year, they are just digging up old brownie points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY View Post
    They addressed this last year, they are just digging up old brownie points.
    It is no longer 'THAT Christmas Party' but THOSE Christmas Parties'

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...tands-12484108

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    Is anybody actually surprised any more?

    I know I'm not.

    Though if I was one of those who couldn't visit their dying loved ones that day, I'd be very, very angry.

    Even then, I wouldn't be surprised.

    Par for the course.

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    Smoke and mirrors! While you are all arguing about a Christmas Party - the Government has passed a NHS Privatisation Bill leading the NHS into more privatisation, a Police Crime and Sentencing Bill giving the Police far more powers, and a Nationality and Borders Bill.

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    It will be interesting to see how the press are going to prove these people allowed to work and eat lunch together all day and into unsocial hours
    suddenly crossed the line into 'party' time will be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    It will be interesting to see how the press are going to prove these people allowed to work and eat lunch together all day and into unsocial hours
    suddenly crossed the line into 'party' time will be interesting.
    Work is / was permitted, eating lunch together not, a cheese & wine party would be a social function and I would assume they would be clocked off or that would be gross misconduct.
    Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Smoke and mirrors! While you are all arguing about a Christmas Party - the Government has passed a NHS Privatisation Bill leading the NHS into more privatisation, a Police Crime and Sentencing Bill giving the Police far more powers, and a Nationality and Borders Bill.
    Unsettlingly, I agree.

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    Word among journalists who weren't invited to the bash is that Simon Case, who Johnson has assigned to investigate 'the party', was actually AT the party.

    Sounds about right.

    Someone, somewhere will have photos and bring the entire rotten lot down.

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    I've kept my powder dry lately but the way this issue has unfolded has really pee'd me off!

    The question needs to be asked about when 'holding to account' crosses over into reckless irresponsibility.
    The matter has been highlighted purely for political gain - to claim otherwise is errant nonsense - no criticism there, the Tories would do the same.
    But - and it's a big but - how much better off is Britain now this issue has been flogged to death by the Opposition and, their cheerleaders in chief, the BBC.

    The hypocrisy is mind boggling with both organisations crowing about loss of trust and people not behaving safely because 'why should they.'
    That is the reckless irresponsibility I referred to earlier.

    That the 'gatherings or parties' took place is not in question but, if they were gatherings of work colleagues having a secret santa or wine and a butty do - so what?
    They were doing nothing more than thousands of work colleagues up and down the country did around that time. I know I did.
    If, as may transpire, people ignore the rules - because they take as their authority the why should I mantra, responsibility for that lies squarely at the door's of an ineffective and opportunistic Opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazaprop View Post
    I've kept my powder dry lately but the way this issue has unfolded has really pee'd me off!

    The question needs to be asked about when 'holding to account' crosses over into reckless irresponsibility.
    The matter has been highlighted purely for political gain - to claim otherwise is errant nonsense - no criticism there, the Tories would do the same.
    But - and it's a big but - how much better off is Britain now this issue has been flogged to death by the Opposition and, their cheerleaders in chief, the BBC.

    The hypocrisy is mind boggling with both organisations crowing about loss of trust and people not behaving safely because 'why should they.'
    That is the reckless irresponsibility I referred to earlier.

    That the 'gatherings or parties' took place is not in question but, if they were gatherings of work colleagues having a secret santa or wine and a butty do - so what?
    They were doing nothing more than thousands of work colleagues up and down the country did around that time. I know I did.
    If, as may transpire, people ignore the rules - because they take as their authority the why should I mantra, responsibility for that lies squarely at the door's of an ineffective and opportunistic Opposition.
    "So what"?
    Are you serious?
    People were dying
    In the same week an elderly relative's funeral took place and we could not go because of the same restrictions.
    Yet the people at the centre of it ignored it. And then tried to lie their way out of it, with the incompetence that characterises this government.
    Led by a PM who has lied consistently throughout his career....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazaprop View Post
    I've kept my powder dry lately but the way this issue has unfolded has really pee'd me off!

    The question needs to be asked about when 'holding to account' crosses over into reckless irresponsibility.
    The matter has been highlighted purely for political gain - to claim otherwise is errant nonsense - no criticism there, the Tories would do the same.
    But - and it's a big but - how much better off is Britain now this issue has been flogged to death by the Opposition and, their cheerleaders in chief, the BBC.

    The hypocrisy is mind boggling with both organisations crowing about loss of trust and people not behaving safely because 'why should they.'
    That is the reckless irresponsibility I referred to earlier.

    That the 'gatherings or parties' took place is not in question but, if they were gatherings of work colleagues having a secret santa or wine and a butty do - so what?
    They were doing nothing more than thousands of work colleagues up and down the country did around that time. I know I did.
    If, as may transpire, people ignore the rules - because they take as their authority the why should I mantra, responsibility for that lies squarely at the door's of an ineffective and opportunistic Opposition.
    It's as though you're arguing that wrongdoing should be kept concealed on the basis that unearthing and challenging wrongdoing in effect publicizes that wrongdoing and encourages other people to copy that wrongdoing.

    You mention the word "authority" and that's potentially an instructive word to consider.

    I conclude you think investigative journalism should be banned. Possibly the police, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Smoke and mirrors! While you are all arguing about a Christmas Party - the Government has passed a NHS Privatisation Bill leading the NHS into more privatisation, a Police Crime and Sentencing Bill giving the Police far more powers, and a Nationality and Borders Bill.
    A lot of us are angry about those too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazaprop View Post
    I've kept my powder dry lately but the way this issue has unfolded has really pee'd me off!

    The question needs to be asked about when 'holding to account' crosses over into reckless irresponsibility.
    The matter has been highlighted purely for political gain - to claim otherwise is errant nonsense - no criticism there, the Tories would do the same.
    But - and it's a big but - how much better off is Britain now this issue has been flogged to death by the Opposition and, their cheerleaders in chief, the BBC.

    The hypocrisy is mind boggling with both organisations crowing about loss of trust and people not behaving safely because 'why should they.'
    That is the reckless irresponsibility I referred to earlier.

    That the 'gatherings or parties' took place is not in question but, if they were gatherings of work colleagues having a secret santa or wine and a butty do - so what?
    They were doing nothing more than thousands of work colleagues up and down the country did around that time. I know I did.
    If, as may transpire, people ignore the rules - because they take as their authority the why should I mantra, responsibility for that lies squarely at the door's of an ineffective and opportunistic Opposition.
    Pathetic.
    Maybe keep your powder dry in future instead of making a fool of yourself.
    So was it Labour's fault that you chose to break the rules last year or are you taking responsibility for your own actions?

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    I can see from this morning they are going to try distinguishing between a "gathering" and a "party".

    Even though both were banned, you can see they hope to soften public outrage by the alternative term.

    A "gathering" where they had 40 people, food and drink, secret Santa, quiz teams, awards and speeches.

    Thank God it wasn't a party then.

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