Another day another disgrace

[bensherman]

Perfect give me evidence of dishonest or illegal behaviour.

I'm quite happy to see the necessary Ministers and corrupt enabling officials/workers jailed just give me the evidence.

The accusations made are far from resigning issues they can't get off that easily.

Go on
Try and provide an innocent explanation of what I described..

[Hamble]

Perfect give me evidence of dishonest or illegal behaviour.

I'm quite happy to see the necessary Ministers and corrupt enabling officials/workers jailed just give me the evidence.

The accusations made are far from resigning issues they can't get off that easily.

I found some.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...tory-sleaze-vn

[bensherman]

I found some.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...tory-sleaze-vn

Good try but I think you know not comparable.
They are not examples of abuse of position .And as Starmer says Labour acted correctly in each case; they are not in a position to remove people from their positions as MPs.
But while we are on that point, perhaps when you recall Elphick, currently serving 2 years, several Tory MPs actually tried to influence the judge...

[local]

Go on
Try and provide an innocent explanation of what I described..

So you have hit the buffers and thrown it back to the person who asked for proof of your accusations

Desperately trying to provide for others in the middle of a worldwide pandemic doesn't seem a bad reason to me,

but I am perfectly happy to hear any proof you may have and I won't defend either Ministers or enabling civil servants and NHS workers should it appear.

[Alikado]

Perfect give me evidence of dishonest or illegal behaviour.

I'm quite happy to see the necessary Ministers and corrupt enabling officials/workers jailed just give me the evidence.

The accusations made are far from resigning issues they can't get off that easily.

Bypassing rules and regulations most of which are set in law in the Public Sector.

[Hamble]

Good try but I think you know not comparable.
They are not examples of abuse of position .And as Starmer says Labour acted correctly in each case; they are not in a position to remove people from their positions as MPs.
But while we are on that point, perhaps when you recall Elphick, currently serving 2 years, several Tory MPs actually tried to influence the judge...

I think it does.

RAKIB EHSAN
26 April 2021 • 1:05pm
Rakib Ehsan
Despite relentless chatter of “Tory sleaze” from the Labour Party and left-leaning sections of the British press, the Conservative Party continues to enjoy a considerable lead in the polls. Two separate polls, by Opinium and YouGov, placed the Conservatives with a lead of 11 and 10 percentage points respectively over Labour.

The reality of the matter is that Labour doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to accusing other parties of political corruption and flouting the rules in the name of personal self-interest. Former Labour MP for Peterborough, Fiona Onasanya, was removed from her position in Parliament following a criminal conviction. Elected in the 2017 General Election, Onasanya was found guilty in December 2018 of perverting the course of justice, after she lied to the police to avoid being prosecuted for speeding.

She was eventually removed from office in May 2019 after a successful recall petition. Chaudhury Mohammed Iqbal, a former Labour councillor for Loxford in Ilford, was sent to prison last January and ordered to pay more than £28,000 back to Redbridge Council after committing electoral fraud. Iqbal provided a false address when applying to be a councillor and continued to lie to the police during its investigation into the matter – even encouraging a former tenant to give a false account to the authorities on his behalf.

Sitting Labour MPs Claudia Webbe and Apsana Begum are both currently facing trial. Webbe was parachuted into the constituency of Leicester East in the last general election – with her selection resulting in the resignation of the Constituency Labour Party chair. Labour’s vote share dropped by 16 percentage points in the seat – with Webbe now facing a charge of harassment after allegedly threatening and making numerous unwanted phone calls to an individual.

Leicester East MP Claudia Webbe leaving Westminster Magistrates Court, London, after appearing charged with one count of harassment of a female between September 1, 2018 and April 26, 2020. PA Photo. Picture date: Wednesday November 11, 2020. See PA story COURTS Webbe. Photo credit should read: Dominic Lipinski/PA Wire
Sitting Labour MPs Claudia Webbe (pictured) and Apsana Begum are both currently facing trial CREDIT: Dominic Lipinski/PA Wire
Begum, MP for Poplar and Limehouse, will stand trial this coming July over allegations of housing fraud. With Judge Martyn Zeidman QC prioritising her trial in the public interest, it is alleged that Begum caused more than £63,000 of loss to Tower Hamlets Council after being allocated a one-bedroom social housing flat in the Isle of Dogs and failing to disclose key information to the relevant authorities.

But most tragic of all has been the fundamental breakdown in governance in the Labour-controlled Liverpool City Region. Following Merseyside Police investigations into building and development contracts under Operation Aloft, five individuals – including Labour mayor Joe Anderson – were arrested. Amid allegations of intimidation, bribery, and corruption relating to the council’s highways, regeneration, and property management functions, it has been decided that government-appointed commissioners will oversee parts of Liverpool City Council.

There are definitely debates to be had on unhealthy linkages between government ministers and unaccountable financiers and how this undermines the integrity of our democracy. The questionable allocation of Covid-19 contracts is deserving of sharper scrutiny, and greater transparency should be injected into such tendering processes. This includes rigorous assessments of potential conflicts of interest by independent agencies. In truth, the degree of financial wastefulness at the heart of government is a scandal in itself.

Labour’s problem is that it is a political institution which pretends to be the party of decent working people, but has contained far too many unscrupulous individuals who are clearly disrespectful of the rule of law. Labour councils have wilfully betrayed dutiful, hard-working public servants in their own local communities. Just this month, it was reported that police were investigating alleged fraud and ‘contract mismanagement’ at Labour-run Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council.

When Labour representatives hurl accusations of Tory sleaze, they shatter their own glass houses with the most devastating stones imaginable. It rings hollow, with many of Britain’s traditional working classes knowing it is well and truly a case of the pot calling the kettle black



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...tories-sleaze/

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Bypassing rules and regulations most of which are set in law in the Public Sector.

Perfect, when's that in Court, I will start knitting?

[Toodles McGinty]

Good try but I think you know not comparable.
They are not examples of abuse of position .And as Starmer says Labour acted correctly in each case; they are not in a position to remove people from their positions as MPs.
But while we are on that point, perhaps when you recall Elphick, currently serving 2 years, several Tory MPs actually tried to influence the judge...

You've ended up in another forum cul-de-sac.

Occasionally political debate is fun. Ideas are exchanged. But generally it ends up one person trying to reason with the two most blindfolded, tribal Tories on here.

Despite any evidence to the contrary, they will die under the weight of whataboutery and refusal to admit their wondrous party - our government - can do any wrong. As you've seen, one has a particular predilection for portly populists, one seems to have been terrified by a red rosette as a child.

Anything that is wrong with the country is down to Labour, despite them not being in power for 11 years.

All political discourse is killed stone dead in the worship of capitalism and the hard right.

I can happily agree with both on other topics.

But criticise their beloved party? I wouldn't bother.

[local]

You've ended up in another forum cul-de-sac.

Occasionally political debate is fun. Ideas are exchanged. But generally it ends up one person trying to reason with the two most blindfolded, tribal Tories on here.

Despite any evidence to the contrary, they will die under the weight of whataboutery and refusal to admit their wondrous party - our government - can do any wrong. As you've seen, one has a particular predilection for portly populists, one seems to have been terrified by a red rosette as a child.

Anything that is wrong with the country is down to Labour, despite them not being in power for 11 years.

All political discourse is killed stone dead in the worship of capitalism and the hard right.

I can happily agree with both on other topics.

But criticise their beloved party? I wouldn't bother.

Definitely not Labours fault, don't know why you invented that nonsense thankfully most people are too clever to vote for them, time after time,after time................


Then there's the hard right or should I say where's the hard right another invention.

Criticise the Conservatives and Boris no problem, hopeless on the nation's health, weak on immigration just to start with.


Sour grapes from repeatedly not understanding people.

[Toodles McGinty]

Definitely not Labours fault, don't know why you invented that nonsense thankfully most people are too clever to vote for them, time after time,after time................


Then there's the hard right or should I say where's the hard right another invention.

Criticise the Conservatives and Boris no problem, hopeless on the nation's health, weak on immigration just to start with.


Sour grapes from repeatedly not understanding people.

Perfect example.

'People are too clever to vote for Labour', so there must have been some mass stupidity that afflicted the nation between 1997 and 2010.

There's no such thing as the 'hard right'.

Any criticism is 'sour grapes'.

As I said, political discourse is crushed. Utterly pointless. Utterly blinkered.

[Desert Region]

At least 46 ‘VIP lane’ PPE deals awarded before formal due diligence in place
Two-thirds of contracts awarded before ‘eight-stage process’ was put in place were given out after referrals from ‘VIP lane’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...gence-in-place

[Desert Region]

So the wretched Hancock was eviscerated by Jess Philips during the week.

He denied that any of his friends had benefitted from Covid contracts.

At this some civil servant in love with the quaint idea of democracy sent a copy of a restricted document to the press relating to a contract given to a business which had the unusual condition that the work would be subcontracted to another company.

That company owned by a friend of Hancock who also happened to be his local pub landlord.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-b1968727.html

Quite staggering.

Good to see a thread about the wretched Matt Hancock.

[Toodles McGinty]

Good to see a thread about the wretched Matt Hancock.

Wasn't that keen on Nick, either.

[Little Londoner]

If a Politician says he/she is telling the truth they are telling lies. By saying he never gave contracts to acquaintances and then a Civil Servant in his old dept contradicting him it proves they are leaving themselves open to being held to ransom by crooks who have had contracts worth £millions given to them and if they don't get more they will reveal his corruption.

[seivad]

Wasn't that keen on Nick, either.

Talking of Nick, was it him who was on the infamous pic of Hancock kissing his aide? Take another look at the pic below, and look at his hand. Like the infamous pic of Prince Andrew with his arm around Virginia Wotsit, it doesn't look like Matt's hand. I'd put good money on it being Nick's hand. He's always been the black sheep of the family.