Single market

[local]

[QUOTE=The PNP;6798205]Lol, Really? Not with UK exports to EU hamstrung by red tape and import charges, whilst our global exports (and imports) are hit hard by the massive jump in cost of long-distance shipping! [/

Yes, EU red Tape is strangling trade for EU members trying to trade with the rest of the world.

Even for us.

Global shipping cost increases are very high because shipping companies have taken advantage of the disruption caused by the Pandemic.
Many are making record profits.
Have a look at Maersk and covid profits.

[bensherman]

[QUOTE=local;6798256]

Lol, Really? Not with UK exports to EU hamstrung by red tape and import charges, whilst our global exports (and imports) are hit hard by the massive jump in cost of long-distance shipping! [/

Yes, EU red Tape is strangling trade for EU members trying to trade with the rest of the world.

Even for us.

Global shipping cost increases are very high because shipping companies have taken advantage of the disruption caused by the Pandemic.
Many are making record profits.
Have a look at Maersk and covid profits.

All that is happening is we are encountering the same issues exporting into a Single Market that any other third-party country experiences. Anyone who imports into the EU can then resell them anywhere else in the 30 plus countries so the initial admission is very careful.

But no it is not doing much harm to EU exporters, given that they can take advantage of the 36 trade deals the EU has made, and which we very foolishly walked away from. Have a look at the performance of EU exporters...it's not hindering Mercedes in China for example, nor Airbus in the US.

What you say about shipping is true, but at the more micro level UK hauliers costs have risen for a number of reasons...such as the limited number of drivers allowed into the EU, the delays and risks associated with procedures at the border which were formerly roll on/off, and the reluctance of carriers now to accept mixed loads in case anything they have is not properly documented.

All of which was patently clear to our negotiators for all that time they spent coming up with this disastrous arrangement.

[The PNP]

Global shipping cost increases are very high because shipping companies have taken advantage of the disruption caused by the Pandemic.
Many are making record profits.
Have a look at Maersk and covid profits.

Whatever the reason/s for the recent huge cost increase in shipping containers around the world, e.g. rising fuel costs/shortage of capacity, it's certainly bad news for us. Coming as it does, just at the time when we're supposed to be raking in those big 'leavers' profits, from the brexiters promised mushrooming of trade with far-away lands.

[Toodles McGinty]

I cannot understand why people voted for something they don't understand.

Or a 'deal' that hadn't been made.

And obviously most have never heard of 'third country' status.

Very odd. Almost like a knee-jerk xenophobia, rather than a considered decision.

Which, of course, it couldn't be, because they didn't (and haven't still) got a deal.

Bizarre.

[local]

[QUOTE=bensherman;6798259]

All that is happening is we are encountering the same issues exporting into a Single Market that any other third-party country experiences. Anyone who imports into the EU can then resell them anywhere else in the 30 plus countries so the initial admission is very careful.

But no it is not doing much harm to EU exporters, given that they can take advantage of the 36 trade deals the EU has made, and which we very foolishly walked away from. Have a look at the performance of EU exporters...it's not hindering Mercedes in China for example, nor Airbus in the US.

What you say about shipping is true, but at the more micro level UK hauliers costs have risen for a number of reasons...such as the limited number of drivers allowed into the EU, the delays and risks associated with procedures at the border which were formerly roll on/off, and the reluctance of carriers now to accept mixed loads in case anything they have is not properly documented.

All of which was patently clear to our negotiators for all that time they spent coming up with this disastrous arrangement.

There is this strange misunderstanding of business that Europhiles can't grasp.
We export to many countries all around the world with a huge variety of regulatory hurdles.
EU importers of our goods suffer the most, it's not just our exporters.
EU exporters suffer with the EU's poor business sense and costs.
But look on the shelves they are just as full as ever.
We are with an ever shrinking world able to react quickly in our interests not to placate dozens of member countries with very different needs.

Your Mercedes example is built on ignorance look up their position and see how many EU jobs have been exported to China.

[bensherman]

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There is this strange misunderstanding of business that Europhiles can't grasp.
We export to many countries all around the world with a huge variety of regulatory hurdles.
EU importers of our goods suffer the most, it's not just our exporters.
EU exporters suffer with the EU's poor business sense and costs.
But look on the shelves they are just as full as ever.
We are with an ever shrinking world able to react quickly in our interests not to placate dozens of member countries with very different needs.

Your Mercedes example is built on ignorance look up their position and see how many EU jobs have been exported to China.

So no answers then?
Apparently we have been happily exporting all over the world unrestrained by the EU! Which fundamentally undermines the basic arguments for Brexit...
I asked you to describe the freedoms we would now have, You haven't ,
40% of what we exported went to the EU. Over 100,000 firms exported for the first time because of the simplicity of doing so. Not the complexity. British firms flourished in European outposts. Multinationals set up here because of the ease with which they could trade with the EU. Not now though.
Since we voted out and Japan made a deal with the EU way more comprehensive than ours , they don't need Swindon and Derby nor the other Japanese bases here. An outcome all of our making.
You are really in a fantasy world.
Germany is the second largest exporter to China. Unrestrained by the EU.

[silver fox]

There is no chaos.

Of course there isn't, remember the great play made about fishing rights and controlling our own waters etc; the British fishing industry is exporting to the EU as if nothing happened, French fishing boats are so enthralled that they nip over to have little soirees with their British counterparts, exports/imports are still rolling freely across the channel, Irish problem, what problem?

Then of course we wait with bated breath for these magnificent benefits, the great freedoms we now enjoy and wait and wait, then wait some more and slowly become resigned to the knowledge that the great stitch up worked.

We are all very aware that Covid has taken centre stage, for very obvious reasons, but Brexit is still lurking in the background like a bad smell and sooner or later will have to be properly concluded.

[local]

I cannot understand why people voted for something they don't understand.

Or a 'deal' that hadn't been made.

And obviously most have never heard of 'third country' status.

Very odd. Almost like a knee-jerk xenophobia, rather than a considered decision.

Which, of course, it couldn't be, because they didn't (and haven't still) got a deal.

Bizarre.

Hopefully some one will help you understand International trade you clearly are having problems.

Try to think of the bigger picture and ask yourself why anyones here.
Try to not be taken in by the ill thought nonsense that told us the likes of Nissan would be going.

The flow of money from abroad into high-growth UK companies appears to have been unaffected by Brexit, with overseas investors piling £19bn into such businesses in the past three years.

It seems that US investors have been the most prolific, ploughing £4.5bn into high-growth UK companies in 2020 alone. The Trading Places report produced by Barclays and data firm Beauhurst also finds that the annual value of their investment has risen by more than 620 per cent in the past decade.

Britain more attractive for foreign investment post-Brexit, say CEOs

https://www.growthbusiness.co.uk/bri...-ceos-2558901/

You really need to see just how attractive we are since Brexit.

UK rises to fourth most attractive investment destination for foreign investors after US, China and Germany.

We are doing great stop trying to run us down because your bitter and don't understand it.

[bensherman]

Honda and Toyota have given up.

Nissan are staying, for the moment, because they are building a battery plant and got a big lump of money from our government to do it, because they are desperate about the origin rules that kick in next year.

Far more assets have left the UK in the last 2 years than come here. £9bn worth of financial service operations left.

Some UK businesses are now so cheap they are worth a punt by equity capital firms.

Even now you still have not told us where all this trade is going to come from.

I LOVE the way you are belittling other peoples' understanding of international trade.
Perhaps you could acquaint us with the reasons you feel so better informed.
And by the way that would make you better informed than pretty much every British business leader and the CBI who said beforehand what a bad idea it was and who have since provided the evidence.
I am waiting.

[Toodles McGinty]

We are doing great stop trying to run us down because your bitter and don't understand it.

You're the one who voted for a deal that still doesn't exist.

You're the one who voted totally blind, for some concept of what you thought leaving the EU would entail.

You're the one who didn't understand tariffs. Yet you still voted.

Not very bright, voting for some ethereal notion. For a concept you cannot understand, because it still hasn't been negotiated.

You're the one who will get bitter and twisted if we have to re-join the single market. Not me.

Voting for something you don't know about, for something nobody explained to you, because they can't explain what they don't know, all sounds like you've bought Magic Beans from a bloke called Farage.

You carry on dreaming.

[bensherman]

Here is a briefing at the US embassy for business people looking to operate here.
https://www.facebook.com/pvwlancs/vi...71690696535492
Like everyone else outside the UK they are mystified by this self-inflicted harm.
Put it like this...Trump thought it was a good idea...

[silver fox]

Hopefully some one will help you understand International trade you clearly are having problems.

Try to think of the bigger picture and ask yourself why anyones here.
Try to not be taken in by the ill thought nonsense that told us the likes of Nissan would be going.

The flow of money from abroad into high-growth UK companies appears to have been unaffected by Brexit, with overseas investors piling £19bn into such businesses in the past three years.

It seems that US investors have been the most prolific, ploughing £4.5bn into high-growth UK companies in 2020 alone. The Trading Places report produced by Barclays and data firm Beauhurst also finds that the annual value of their investment has risen by more than 620 per cent in the past decade.

Britain more attractive for foreign investment post-Brexit, say CEOs

https://www.growthbusiness.co.uk/bri...-ceos-2558901/

You really need to see just how attractive we are since Brexit.

UK rises to fourth most attractive investment destination for foreign investors after US, China and Germany.

We are doing great stop trying to run us down because your bitter and don't understand it.

So much depends on where this money is going, haven't noticed any major new investments in manufacturing or production, I would suspect much of this investment is circulating around the financial markets or buying up existing assets, neither option create jobs nor prosperity for the country or people, profits from either of this type of investment will leave the country, leaving us as a country worse off.

You constantly babble on on about world trade as if you are some authority on the subject, following your statements, trade with non EU countries should have exploded, we were supposedly going to be able to buy in goods we need much cheaper without EU regulation, haven't noticed any of this, in reality the reverse has been the order.

So Mr Brexit expert, pray tell just when the country and people,(by that I mean the majority, not the financiers and speculators) are going to be better off, there is not the slightest indication of anything like that.

[local]

Honda and Toyota have given up.

Nissan are staying, for the moment, because they are building a battery plant and got a big lump of money from our government to do it, because they are desperate about the origin rules that kick in next year.

Far more assets have left the UK in the last 2 years than come here. £9bn worth of financial service operations left.

Some UK businesses are now so cheap they are worth a punt by equity capital firms.

Even now you still have not told us where all this trade is going to come from.

I LOVE the way you are belittling other peoples' understanding of international trade.
Perhaps you could acquaint us with the reasons you feel so better informed.
And by the way that would make you better informed than pretty much every British business leader and the CBI who said beforehand what a bad idea it was and who have since provided the evidence.
I am waiting.

Very obvious that despite your " business experience" you haven't the foggiest idea what you are posting .

Read up on Honda and Toyota, you clearly haven't so far.

You might then retract your frankly stupid comments.

[bensherman]

And that's it?
Tell me why you think Honda and Toyota are giving up
Here I can help
https://www.euronews.com/2019/02/19/...ronews-answers
Read down to the section where it covers the EU-Japan trade deal.
with your superior "business intelligence" I am sure you will work it out.
After that if you like we can start on the jobs relocated by Banks, corporate lawyers and the rest?
Presumably these people also lack your grasp of business?
https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/
And that was a year ago..

[salus.populi]

I cannot understand why people voted for something they don't understand.

Or a 'deal' that hadn't been made.

And obviously most have never heard of 'third country' status.

Very odd. Almost like a knee-jerk xenophobia, rather than a considered decision.

Which, of course, it couldn't be, because they didn't (and haven't still) got a deal.

Bizarre.

Maybe they believed the promises that were made.
https://www.politico.eu/article/15-t...d-what-it-got/