Cycle Lanes Scrapped

[The PNP]

...or the several hundreds of pounds to fork out to actually own one....

Compared to the sky-high prices of electric cars, which will rush you £tens of thousands, what's a £1k or so to most people? Even someone on minimum wage, earns that in a matter of weeks.........In short, E-bikes represent an eminently affordable form of electric transport for the masses!

[justbecause]

I have never posted 'details' of any vehicles I, or the business own, for obvious reasons. Some have speculated (wrongly), i.e. 'rusty smokey old van/s', etc. Possibly hoping I'll respond with a denial and give the game away, by countering with identifiable details, like makes, models, year, etc. But no, that electric vehicle isn't a bicycle.

Apart from detailing about your van, your 7.5 tonner, and your motorhome, no you haven’t.

[The PNP]

Apart from detailing about your van, your 7.5 tonner, and your motorhome, no you haven’t.

That's news to
me....Do tell, what 'details' have I posted?

[The PNP]

In answer to your question, no.

Perhaps you should read this link - you might end up more knowledgeable than you have up to now?

https://www.cyclinguk.org/statistics

Fear of being knocked off is the top reason people give for not cycling.......See, it isn't about actual recorded knock-offs, but about the publics perception of safety on a bike when riding in traffic. They see a lone rider valiantly making their way on a main road, with all manner of vehicles large and small steaming past - and think: 'no way would I ever do that!'

Take flying as an example. Despite being the safest form of transport known, there are those who fear being thousands of feet up in the sky, with nothing but thin air beneath them - and as a result rarely if ever choose to fly......If someone perceives an activity to be risky, they will be very reluctant to do it.

So, when the public can clearly see that bikes have their own protected tarmac, which keeps them safely shielded away from motor traffic, the perception of danger is removed. Result: Cycling is seen for what it really is, a safe and pleasant activity, that even a child could do and fully expect to get home unscathed.

[MICK/GILLY]

There is only you left now on this thread once again spouting the same nonesense. The public have told you on here ( and through consultation ) what they think, cycle lanes and cyclists have been seen for what they really are, there is nothing green and save the world about electric vehicles and we can all agree cycling is more suited to children until they grow out of it when their brain develops or those that need the exercise, commute small journeys or have found nothing more interesting to do.

[The PNP]

There is only you left now on this thread once again spouting the same nonsense. The public have told you on here ( and through consultation ) what they think, cycle lanes and cyclists have been seen for what they really are, there is nothing green and save the world about electric vehicles and we can all agree cycling is more suited to children until they grow out of it when their brain develops or those that need the exercise, commute small journeys or have found nothing more interesting to do.

When the only choice for personal transport in the not too distant future, is between an electric car (£20k - to £50+k) and an electric bike (£1k - £2k).....which of the two will the average person be able to afford? Seems to me, that bikes, particularly the easy-to-pedal e-bike will have a lot going for it. Watch this space, lol!

[Stuartli]

Fear of being knocked off is the top reason people give for not cycling.......See, it isn't about actual recorded knock-offs, but about the publics perception of safety on a bike when riding in traffic. They see a lone rider valiantly making their way on a main road, with all manner of vehicles large and small steaming past - and think: 'no way would I ever do that!'

Take flying as an example. Despite being the safest form of transport known, there are those who fear being thousands of feet up in the sky, with nothing but thin air beneath them - and as a result rarely if ever choose to fly......If someone perceives an activity to be risky, they will be very reluctant to do it.

So, when the public can clearly see that bikes have their own protected tarmac, which keeps them safely shielded away from motor traffic, the perception of danger is removed. Result: Cycling is seen for what it really is, a safe and pleasant activity, that even a child could do and fully expect to get home unscathed.

Your delusional way of life continues unabated - the only fear of cycling I have is that it appears to muddle your ability to think clearly and logicallyl

[sandGroundZero]

Summary
There is only you left now on this thread once again spouting the same nonesense.
The public have told you on here ( and through consultation ) what they think, cycle lanes and cyclists have been seen for what they really are, …

"The public" insofar as those roused to object represent the public, have evidently expressed doubt about the utility of separated lanes on Hoghton Street and Queen's Road and elsewhere.

…there is nothing green and save the world about electric vehicles and we can all agree cycling is more suited to children until they grow out of it when their brain develops or those that need the exercise, commute small journeys or have found nothing more interesting to do.

Having said that, dismissal of cycling as juvenile and/or peripheral to most peoples' needs is short-sighted.

The point of Active Travel is to improve peoples' lives. It's that simple.

£2 billion package to create new era for cycling and walking

[MICK/GILLY]

I don’t think that is dismissive I think cycling short distances with the kids to the park is a good idea, but kids and prams are allowed on the pavement I think that’s the safest for them. Why are cycle lanes being called walking and cycle routes ?, we have always had walking routes they are called pavements. I don’t like the idea of little kids riding on the road in between big lorries and fast moving wagons. So for me the video is a nice flowery presentation and better crossing places, benches and safer junctions are great but it’s a no to kids riding in the roads for me, one slip they are gone .

[justbecause]

When the only choice for personal transport in the not too distant future, is between an electric car (£20k - to £50+k) and an electric bike (£1k - £2k).....which of the two will the average person be able to afford? Seems to me, that bikes, particularly the easy-to-pedal e-bike will have a lot going for it. Watch this space, lol!

Yet more absolute bo**ocks. ICE vehicles are going to be here for many years to come.

[The PNP]

I don’t think that is dismissive I think cycling short distances with the kids to the park is a good idea, but kids and prams are allowed on the pavement I think that’s the safest for them. Why are cycle lanes being called walking and cycle routes ?, we have always had walking routes they are called pavements. I don’t like the idea of little kids riding on the road in between big lorries and fast moving wagons. So for me the video is a nice flowery presentation and better crossing places, benches and safer junctions are great but it’s a no to kids riding in the roads for me, one slip they are gone .

I used to ride or walk to primary school, no problem. But back then there wasn't anything like the traffic. Even rode out with a primary-school mate to Shirdley Hill once or twice, to play in the empty goods waggons on the defunct railway there.

We'd also ride to the beach, to slide down the big sand-dunes (before they were demolished and trucked away). And places like the ABC Minors on a Saturday morning and Funhouse, no need for parents to tag along, just the two of us - it was great!

Sadly, young kids these days have so much rushing traffic to contend with, I doubt many are able to enjoy the freedom of the town safely on two-wheels, like we were able to. The only way that's ever going to happen, is if traffic disappears (highly unlikely) or separate tarmac is provided on our busy modern roads.

[Stuartli]

The point of Active Travel is to improve peoples' lives. It's that simple.

£2 billion package to create new era for cycling and walking

The video is somewhat unusual in that the traffic flow and road markings are reversed.....

[justbecause]

That's news to
me....Do tell, what 'details' have I posted?

So how do we all know you have a van, a 7.5 tonner for the bigger jobs, (your words), and a motorhome?

[MICK/GILLY]

PNP
ABC. Minors I had all the badges twice at least, my grandma used to work there and let me in the back door, maybe you are the only person that will remember a series called catch candy ha ha , yea the fun house I remember going as a kid, working there as a teen, painting it, painting rides in it and being a big part of it being open in the winter at weekends (disco) in my twenties . But for me kids are safer on the pavement.

The funniest thing about the beach that I remember as a kid was when massive groups of kids used to (harmlessly) walk around together and some summer evenings around dusk masses of us used to congregate in the sand dunes just out of sight from the beach and watch cars coming on with courting couples, then when they stopped and started kissing and that.. we would all run over the dunes and down towards the beach in a MASSIVE wave shouting SHAGGERS and they would drive off .

Today tho there are too many weirdos, the roads are too busy and too much trouble younger kids can get into to be letting them loose in town, there again my folks thought I was half a mile away in the local park when sometimes we would be playing on the bank or the pilling close building site when they were building the houses there 10 miles away.

From what I see the kids on bikes in town are the older kids, kids still get together but online, things have moved on . I walked to school then went on my bike looking back I went on the pavement and across parks and crossed at zebra crossings that cars didn’t like stopping at and probably still don’t ( Liverpool rd / windy harbour rd ) especially in the morning .

Kids, joggers, prams, walkers and bicycles are safer on the pavement and the most times I look out of my window I see a bike going past on the pavement, one just went past 5 mins ago dark clothes no lights it’s pitch black out there he looked like a ripple in the darkness I had to look 3 times to see him but at least he won’t get run over on the pavement unless someone backs out or even drives out of their driveway into him.

The roads around Hesketh park have massive pavements, cars are often parked all around in the summer as most go in cars to the park, take away that parking and people will have to ( if they can ) park across the road dragging kids across or not bothering to go at all leaving the park and it’s cafe empty. There’s plenty of room for bikes and prams on that big pavement and you have to dismount in the park anyway .. not that anyone does.
I am not anti cycle, I would prefer cyclists on the pavement riding slowly and safely, there is no place on the road for racing cars, racing motorcycles or racing bicycles and all these new rules about they can get in the way just beggars belief more than anything. We were taught to ride safely close to the curb, be careful and look out for cars and those were the only rules we needed. Now they are teaching kids to ride in the middle of the road even 2 or 3 abreast challenge cars, go up the left side of them and stuff that you just don’t do on a bicycle if you want to stay safe .

Listen kids be seen be safe use lights and just stay on the pavement just don’t ride stupid or run over any old ladies and you will be ok .

[The PNP]

So how do we all know you have a van, a 7.5 tonner for the bigger jobs, (your words), and a motorhome?

If that's what you want to believe, don't let me stop you....All I've said as far as I can remember, is of the two works vehicles, one is petrol and one diesel, which basically could mean anything....Whilst 'motorhome' is slightly more specific, who's to say that it's not electric - or for that matter pedal-driven Fred Flintstone style, lol!

Btw, some years ago, I did make a start (yes really) on a tiny-camper to tow behind a pushbike. The parts are still here, having never got round to finishing it....If it ever emerges complete into the daylight, you'll not mistake it - being a scaled-down replica of a traditional horsedrawn bow-top Gypsy caravan.