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    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    In days gone by we didn't have a dozen supermarkets where most people can get everything they need from a wider choice.
    Well even so, Tesco, Booths, Cassidy's, Co-Op, Kwik Save, Woolworth and other stores had quite impressive products availability...





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    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    Its been packed every time I've been in.
    Stick to your tours of public toilets.

    You must have the same footfall counter as the council. The seating arrangement does not allow for the place to have a huge number of customers. It can only be in the late evenings when it is busy - if it ever is - because I have been passed in the mornings, lunchtimes, afternoons and early evenings and there has always been just a few people in. Unless of course - you are claiming it is so busy that the place ignores the Covid restrictions. Wetherspoons has a far more busy venue because the floor is wider spaced out.

    Even Costa Coffee has reduced its opening hours because the footfall is just not there. Yet, thousands (quoting the council) are making their way to the foodhall??

    By all means - take a tin opener and go and visit the local can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuartli View Post
    Like The PNP, time you went to Specsavers....

    Been quite a few times and always busy.

    Really? Ignoring the Covid restrictions, is that? There are usually more staff than customers.

    Why would anyone call into the food hall for exactly the same menu as you can get elsewhere at a lower price? There are 62 reviews on Trip advisor = 3.5 stars out of 5, Google reviews = 3.8 Dogs are allowed in, coffee is bad, hardly any food after 6pm and reports of plenty of space to sit down implying that it is not busy.

    If people want to see busy traditional markets - go to Leyland Market or Fleetwood Market and see how these are managed. If people want to see popular Food Halls, the UK is not the place to find them. Try Budapest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Ormskirk Market gets pretty busy (Market days are Thurs and Sat) but it is of course outdoors.
    We went to Ormskirk market the Saturday before Christmas and it was absolutely deserted !

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    You must have the same footfall counter as the council. The seating arrangement does not allow for the place to have a huge number of customers. It can only be in the late evenings when it is busy - if it ever is - because I have been passed in the mornings, lunchtimes, afternoons and early evenings and there has always been just a few people in. Unless of course - you are claiming it is so busy that the place ignores the Covid restrictions. Wetherspoons has a far more busy venue because the floor is wider spaced out.

    Even Costa Coffee has reduced its opening hours because the footfall is just not there. Yet, thousands (quoting the council) are making their way to the foodhall??

    By all means - take a tin opener and go and visit the local can.
    I've only been in at lunchtimes. Packed as in few empty seats. Had to wander round waiting for people to leave on one occasion. There have been no covid restrictions in place since it opened that would limit its capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post

    If people want to see busy traditional markets - .
    We don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Skipton is pretty deserted on market days, Accrington, Altingham, Fleetwod are all struggling even Bury is having hard times.

    Fleetwood Market has won an award and has a 4.5 star rating. It really depends on how these venues are managed - Southport used to have an on site manager. It was the high rents and the mismanagement with too many stalls selling the same merchandise that killed Southport market off. Leyland market is smaller, but it has a very wide variety of quality goods at lower prices than the high street. Barrow in Furness Indoor Market is very similar to Leyland Market and very busy also. Under good management - our shops can survive - but the powers that be, do not want that.

    Speaking of which, I had cause to visit Liverpool the other day - I have not been there for some years now - but hell! That has really gone down the pan. It was so scruffy and dirty I did not feel like eating in any one of the restaurants even. Several Liverpool One stores have pulled out and have moved elsewhere, and the Liverpool Lime Street area looks disastrous with safety barriers all over the place and has done for some while now. Even on the streets there was only one beggar! The pride has gone out of that city for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepsi View Post
    We went to Ormskirk market the Saturday before Christmas and it was absolutely deserted !

    Yeah! Well, it was pi..ing down!

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    Southport Market

    The reason why the previous incarnation failed (the one opened by Simon Rimmer the tv chef) was because the rents were far too high. I knew a couple of people who had stalls in the old market in the 80's and 90's and they said they wouldn't have liked to have rented it when it was refitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Saxon View Post
    The reason why the previous incarnation failed (the one opened by Simon Rimmer the tv chef) was because the rents were far too high. I knew a couple of people who had stalls in the old market in the 80's and 90's and they said they wouldn't have liked to have rented it when it was refitted.

    Yes, so once again - who was to blame for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Very true.....Tesco for example, you can get anything from a mortgage to a pair of knickers, to
    a tv set, smartphone, frying pan, cigs, medicines/fill a prescription - and that's before you even get to the food section! Imo, whilst it's fashionable to blame cycling for the demise of the town centre, 'big retail' must take the lions share of the blame.
    Who has ever blamed cycling for the demise of the town centre?!

    Why do you bring cycling into every discussion, have a day off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Saxon View Post
    The reason why the previous incarnation failed (the one opened by Simon Rimmer the tv chef) was because the rents were far too high. I knew a couple of people who had stalls in the old market in the 80's and 90's and they said they wouldn't have liked to have rented it when it was refitted.

    None of those in this Food Hall have to pay any rent - they pay a percentage to the council based on sales. Why did they not apply that system to the market stalls? Anyway - that is the reason why Councillors are hyping up the numbers, an attempt to fool people into believing that it is a very popular venue. (Just like they did for the cycle lanes before they were considering closing those down.) It does not work in a small town like Southport - everyone knows soon enough.

    'To give overworked staff a break' So Waterspoons are making their staff work like slaves as they don't get such time off.

    According to Sir Ron Watson - says that the market has been running at an accumulated loss amounting to £350,000 that has been the situation for a very long time. He claims that drastic action was needed. If you are running a business at a loss, why would you not mitigate those losses and create a more popular venue?

    If the rents had been kept in line with footfall far more people would have been encouraged to open stalls in the market and the diversity of goods sold would have been a greater attraction.

    The food hall does not offer anything different to that which you can purchase elsewhere locally at a lower cost. The British food halls are vastly different to European food halls which have a variety of speciality foods from across the World, they are very popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Saxon View Post
    The reason why the previous incarnation failed (the one opened by Simon Rimmer the tv chef) was because the rents were far too high. I knew a couple of people who had stalls in the old market in the 80's and 90's and they said they wouldn't have liked to have rented it when it was refitted.
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