So much for health & safety! Cycle Friendly scheme causes more accidents in Edinburgh

[The PNP]

1. You don’t know that. However, if he needed to use his near side mirror to see you, that would indicate that you was BEHIND him.
2. If was was the case, yes, he did have the right of way.

As you constantly go to great lengths to tell us how at traffic lights, you always take up a position AT THE FRONT OF THE TRAFFIC in order to be seen, I would suggest that this little story is yet another one of your bare faced lies, dreamt up to yet again put the motorist in a bad light.

It is said you have to have a good memory to be a good lair. Perhaps in future you should think about things you have previously posted before writing more and more blatant lies.

I did post this incident around the time it happened....Feel free to dredge it up, you'll find it tallies 100% with what I've said today.

To further paint the picture, I was happily cycling up Marshside Rd towards the lights, which were on red. I rolled onto and along that raised bit of cycle-lane there, that runs past the car accessory shop, etc. I could have jammed myself between the front car and the kerb. But he hadn't left a lot of space on his nearside and anyway I felt it wiser to hang back slightly, with my front wheel overlapping his rear nearside wheel. So that, if he did swing an unexpected left when he set off, I would be able to prevent the collision.

[MICK/GILLY]

And nobody saw anything ha ha .
Seriously tho I think the first day or two of these new nonesense rules will be the worst, we will see some cyclists flaunting their new found superpowers some to the anger of motorists and some telling ambulance crews how they were in the right, no motorist wants to be held up with divs on bikes and no motorist wants to harm a cyclist they are but fleas to be flicked away, but dedicated nothing else in their lives cyclists see motorists as things to provoke with dangerous childlike mentality on a place like the road where it is most unwanted and dangerous . Other than that motorists don’t care one way or the other about cyclists or what they want to grow up to be or think .

[justbecause]

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I did post this incident around the time it happened....Feel free to dredge it up, you'll find it tallies 100% with what I've said today.

To further paint the picture, I was happily cycling up Marshside Rd towards the lights, which were on red. I rolled onto and along that raised bit of cycle-lane there, that runs past the car accessory shop, etc. I could have jammed myself between the front car and the kerb. But he hadn't left a lot of space on his nearside and anyway I felt it wiser to hang back slightly, with my front wheel overlapping his rear nearside wheel. So that, if he did swing an unexpected left when he set off, I would be able to prevent the collision.

[justbecause]

I did post this incident around the time it happened....Feel free to dredge it up, you'll find it tallies 100% with what I've said today.

To further paint the picture, I was happily cycling up Marshside Rd towards the lights, which were on red. I rolled onto and along that raised bit of cycle-lane there, that runs past the car accessory shop, etc. I could have jammed myself between the front car and the kerb. But he hadn't left a lot of space on his nearside and anyway I felt it wiser to hang back slightly, with my front wheel overlapping his rear nearside wheel. So that, if he did swing an unexpected left when he set off, I would be able to prevent the collision.

So, if you decided stay BEHIND the car, regardless of reason, the car driver did have the right of way, end of.

[The PNP]

So, if you decided stay BEHIND the car, regardless of reason, the car driver did have the right of way, end of.

Not so. Like I said, part of my bike was alongside part of his car, in the bike lane - not behind him. I was well placed for him to see me in his left mirror, had he bothered to look. We subsequently both set off together, I going straight ahead, as did he for a second or two. It was then that he began his surprise left turn, just as he cleared the traffic-light pole and corner kerb. It was at that moment, alarmed at being cut-up, that I braked to avoid collision.

Note, that as we moved off together at about the same speed, the front part of my bike remained alongside part of his nearside. Under the new rules, he should have allowed me to proceed past, before he turned left. Had there been more bikes following behind me, he should have continued to wait, till the bike lane had cleared - only then making his left turn. He was also at fault by not indicating his intentions (that lane is a combined left/ahead lane), an immediate test fail!

[justbecause]

Not so. Like I said, part of my bike was alongside part of his car, in the bike lane - not behind him. I was well placed for him to see me in his left mirror, had he bothered to look. We subsequently both set off together, I going straight ahead, as did he for a second or two. It was then that he began his surprise left turn, just as he cleared the traffic-light pole and corner kerb. It was at that moment, alarmed at being cut-up, that I braked to avoid collision.

Note, that as we moved off together at about the same speed, the front part of my bike remained alongside part of his nearside. Under the new rules, he should have allowed me to proceed past, before he turned left. Had there been more bikes following behind me, he should have continued to wait, till the bike lane had cleared - only then making his left turn. He was also at fault by not indicating his intentions (that lane is a combined left/ahead lane), an immediate test fail!

It happened to me only a couple of weeks ago, as I set off going straight ahead at the lights, emerging from Marshside Rd. The dumba$$ in the car immediately to my right, went left into PNR, nicely cutting me up. Lucky I had half expected him to do it, so was able to brake to a halt.

But he hadn't left a lot of space on his nearside and anyway I felt it wiser to hang back slightly, with my front wheel overlapping his rear nearside wheel. So that, if he did swing an unexpected left when he set off, I would be able to prevent the collision.

We subsequently both set off together, I going straight ahead, as did he for a second or two. It was then that he began his surprise left turn, just as he cleared the traffic-light pole and corner kerb.

So, of the THREE different accounts you have posted regarding this incident, which one are we supposed to believe?

[The PNP]

It happened to me only a couple of weeks ago, as I set off going straight ahead at the lights, emerging from Marshside Rd. The dumba$$ in the car immediately to my right, went left into PNR, nicely cutting me up. Lucky I had half expected him to do it, so was able to brake to a halt.

But he hadn't left a lot of space on his nearside and anyway I felt it wiser to hang back slightly, with my front wheel overlapping his rear nearside wheel. So that, if he did swing an unexpected left when he set off, I would be able to prevent the collision.

We subsequently both set off together, I going straight ahead, as did he for a second or two. It was then that he began his surprise left turn, just as he cleared the traffic-light pole and corner kerb.

So, of the THREE different accounts you have posted regarding this incident, which one are we supposed to believe?

Duh. I've better things to do, than keep on laying out the incident ad-infinitum. So, guess you'll have to take it or leave it....But consider this. If the car to your immediate right at lights, unexpectedly swung left across your own vehicle when you're setting off (without him even indicating) you'd have no choice but to slam on - and very likely also blast your horn (making a rather rude gesture) at him! Only difference in my case, was I happened to be on the bike.

[justbecause]

Duh.

I've better things to do, than keep on laying out the incident ad-infinitum. So, guess you'll have to take it or leave it....But consider this. If the car to your immediate right at lights, unexpectedly swung left across your own vehicle when you're setting off (without him even indicating) you'd have no choice but to slam on - and very likely also blast your horn (making a rather rude gesture) at him! Only difference in my case, was I happened to be on the bike.

Yeah, but all I’m asking is which ONE, if any are true. Surely you can do that.

[The PNP]

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Yeah, but all I’m asking is which ONE, if any are true. Surely you can do that.

My posts go into ever more detail, but don't contradict.....Put simply, I was 'cut up'.

[MICK/GILLY]

Duh. I've better things to do, than keep on laying out the incident ad-infinitum. So, guess you'll have to take it or leave it....But consider this. If the car to your immediate right at lights, unexpectedly swung left across your own vehicle when you're setting off (without him even indicating) you'd have no choice but to slam on - and very likely also blast your horn (making a rather rude gesture) at him! Only difference in my case, was I happened to be on the bike.

Yea but if that was a car on immediate right he would have had to be in the right hand lane for turning right as I would be in the left lane going left or straight on, none of what you are saying makes sense. Basically the new rules haven’t come in yet and if you are acting like they have then you are getting a taste of things to come, you should have entered the red box in front of the car or stayed safely behind it, by being upside it in a blind spot your asking for it, he could have been indicating left but you wouldn’t know if you are up the side of him and rules or no rules go upside a car and if it turns left with you in the blind spot that’s your lot. Wait for all the bikes to pass on the inside before you turn yea that’s not gonna happen most of the time dream on . The chances your helmet cam is broken in such an accident is very high as the accident may have caused it to bounce off the kerb and break . Many accidents in the first few days I think, natural selection . Might be aswell to say goodbye now

[Stuartli]

I did post this incident around the time it happened....Feel free to dredge it up, you'll find it tallies 100% with what I've said today.

But he hadn't left a lot of space on his nearside and anyway I felt it wiser to hang back slightly, with my front wheel overlapping his rear nearside wheel. So that, if he did swing an unexpected left when he set off, I would be able to prevent the collision.

I don't recall it.

Secondly, there in lies your problem. You've probably left yourself invisible from his/her nearside door mirror field of vision.

[libraryguy]

"But he hadn't left a lot of space on his nearside and anyway I felt it wiser to hang back slightly, with my front wheel overlapping his rear nearside wheel. So that, if he did swing an unexpected left when he set off, I would be able to prevent the collision. "

Why did you "hang back slightly"? Why was you front wheel "overlapping" his rear nearside wheel?

All road users should expect the unexpected at all times.

What you should have done was to stop fully behind the vehicle. No part of your bike should have been in-line with any part of his vehicle. If he had turned left he wouldn't have touched you at all. Hang back a little, let the driver go then make your manoeuvre.

Prevent the collision by fully staying back from vehicles!

[The PNP]

"But he hadn't left a lot of space on his nearside and anyway I felt it wiser to hang back slightly, with my front wheel overlapping his rear nearside wheel. So that, if he did swing an unexpected left when he set off, I would be able to prevent the collision. "

A) Why did you "hang back slightly"? Why was you front wheel "overlapping" his rear nearside wheel?

All road users should expect the unexpected at all times.

B) What you should have done was to stop fully behind the vehicle. No part of your bike should have been in-line with any part of his vehicle. If he had turned left he wouldn't have touched you at all. Hang back a little, let the driver go then make your manoeuvre.

Prevent the collision by fully staying back from vehicles!

A) I 'hung back slightly', because despite him not signalling left, I become uneasy sitting to the left of a car waiting at lights (whether or not it's indicating). Reason: just in case it does unexpectedly go left and crushes me.

B) If he'd had his left indicator on when I arrived, I would have waited for him to set off and only then set off myself. This would have allowed him to clear my bike and begin his left turn, without driving into me.

[libraryguy]

A) I 'hung back slightly', because despite him not signalling left, I become uneasy sitting to the left of a car waiting at lights (whether or not it's indicating). Reason: just in case it does unexpectedly go left and crushes me.

B) If he'd had his left indicator on when I arrived, I would have waited for him to set off and only then set off myself. This would have allowed him to clear my bike and begin his left turn, without driving into me.

A) Don't EVER hang back slightly. Treat you bike as being the same width of a car and you can't ride down the left side of any vehicle. That way you are always safe whether a vehicle turns left or right with or without indicating.

B) Just do that every single time regardless.

All road users should line up one behind the other espcially at traffic lights or go into their specific lanes, still one behind the other - no squeezing past on the left. This is what causes accidents.

Then we wonder why cyclists get sideswiped by large container lorries. Just DON'T go down the left side of any vehicle!

How can it be right for anyone to buy a bicyle and be able to just use it on the road without even the tiniest amount of instruction or supervision.

[Alikado]

A) Don't EVER hang back slightly. Treat you bike as being the same width of a car and you can't ride down the left side of any vehicle. That way you are always safe whether a vehicle turns left or right with or without indicating.

B) Just do that every single time regardless.

All road users should line up one behind the other espcially at traffic lights or go into their specific lanes, still one behind the other - no squeezing past on the left. This is what causes accidents.

Then we wonder why cyclists get sideswiped by large container lorries. Just DON'T go down the left side of any vehicle!

How can it be right for anyone to buy a bicyle and be able to just use it on the road without even the tiniest amount of instruction or supervision.

This is the problem, if a cyclist goes down a cycle lane which is normally on the nearside of the traffic then the vehicle turns left it will take the cyclist out, motorists don't give way to cyclists in cycle lanes, they are crossing the cyclists path and should give way just as they give way to oncoming traffic when they are turning right.