Petrol/Diesel stations will be phased out

[said]

It has been stated by the Government that Petrol and Diesel outlets will be phased out and electric charging areas will take over.

Can anyone imagine an electric heavily laden container truck travelling from say Manchester to Leeds - it would take forever to arrive having to stop and get charged up constantly.

Supermarket shelves would be emptier than they are today. Plant equipment on Building sites would cost a lot more.

Is Shipping/Aircraft included in this ban?

[MICK/GILLY]

It has been stated by the Government that Petrol and Diesel outlets will be phased out and electric charging areas will take over.

Can anyone imagine an electric heavily laden container truck travelling from say Manchester to Leeds - it would take forever to arrive having to stop and get charged up constantly.

Supermarket shelves would be emptier than they are today. Plant equipment on Building sites would cost a lot more.

Is Shipping/Aircraft included in this ban?

Ha ha don’t hold your breath we will all be long dead before this happens, probably our kids will be aswell.

[The PNP]

Never mind shutting the petrol/diesel pumps, what about the other spirits on sale in these places, i.e. bottled alcohol? Imo, surrounding folk queuing at the checkouts with cases of beer etc, is simply wrong.....This is big business deliberately preying on the weakness of motorists with a drinking problem. Prioritising their own bottom line, with absolutely no regard to the consequences for life and limb on our roads.

If it was up to me, I'd ban sale of alcohol at all petrol stations forthwith. I would also revoke the license to sell booze at all motorway service areas, including in their shop and cafe areas.

[jamyramy]

never mind shutting the petrol/diesel pumps, what about the other spirits on sale in these places, i.e. Bottled alcohol? Imo, surrounding folk queuing at the checkouts with cases of beer etc, is simply wrong.....this is big business deliberately preying on the weakness of motorists with a drinking problem. Prioritising their own bottom line, with absolutely no regard to the consequences for life and limb on our roads.

If it was up to me, i'd ban sale of alcohol at all petrol stations forthwith. I would also revoke the license to sell booze at all motorway service areas, including in their shop and cafe areas.

w.t.f. Bikers frequent you supermarkets and offys too.

[The PNP]

w.t.f. Bikers frequent your supermarkets and offys too.

Yes I know they do, as does everyone.....But positioning mountains of booze right under motorists noses every time they tank-up, is putting temptation right at their fingertips. Imo it's asking for trouble - and is simply not on.

[Stuartli]

Yes I know they do, as does everyone.....But positioning mountains of booze right under motorists noses every time they tank-up, is putting temptation right at their fingertips. Imo it's asking for trouble - and is simply not on.

You really do live in a world of sheer fantasy.

[Stuartli]

It has been stated by the Government that Petrol and Diesel outlets will be phased out and electric charging areas will take over.

Will you please provide concrete evidence that this seemingly ludicrous statement is actually the case?

For a start it would make complete nonsense of the decision to end the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles in 2030, but then allow the sales and purchases of used examples until they are no longer roadworthy (that could be up to 15 years or more afterwards).

Secondly, only petrol station owners would surely be the ones to decide when such facilities are closed down?

Thirdly, with 32M vehicles on the roads (not including commercial vehicles) and the sales of electric vehicles only slowly eating into new car sales (much of it due to very high prices, plus minimal charging points to date), it would take many years for internal combustion engine vehicles to gradually be replaced.

[MICK/GILLY]

I didn’t think you could buy beer or alcohol in a motorway service station or on a petrol forecourt ha that shows how much I know. I am not much of a drinker and often thought why do they have car parks in pubs, this just makes easy pickings for the police if they just hang around a pub car park they catch many people I reckon …just sayin.

[justbecause]

w.t.f. Bikers frequent you supermarkets and offys too.

If you look at some of this idiot’s ramblings on other posts, all drivers are drunks, out there to wipe out every cyclist on the road, while cyclists never drink and ride because they wouldn’t be able balance the bike.
If brains were dynamite, the cretin wouldn’t have enough to blow his hat off.

[Steed]

I’m sure they will be phased out in time, but I can’t see that being any time soon.

The EV change over has been rushed through along with Boris’s Green Plan and the ban on gas boilers and cookers in new build properties and ”renewable” electricity without clear plans on infrastructure and implementation.

There is a need to put things in place, charging infrastructure, upgraded distribution network and more electricity capacity to service all the increased demand.

There are questions about whether solar and wind are the answer (when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow its not generating)

More investment needs to go into alternative fuels, in particular Hydrogen, if they decide to push for “everything” going electric then the route perhaps should be either Tidal or Nuclear.

We need to move away from fossil fuels, but we also need a clear plan on how to implement it.

[local]

It has been stated by the Government that Petrol and Diesel outlets will be phased out and electric charging areas will take over.

Can anyone imagine an electric heavily laden container truck travelling from say Manchester to Leeds - it would take forever to arrive having to stop and get charged up constantly.

Supermarket shelves would be emptier than they are today. Plant equipment on Building sites would cost a lot more.

Is Shipping/Aircraft included in this ban?

I suppose you could put a few dates and other facts in to spice your piece up Prof.

[sandGroundZero]

Southport residents' air quality is perhaps improved inasmuch as the Irish Sea breezes blow our exhaust fumes elsewhere. That is not of course to say that our air quality in invariably good; but the urgency of it is less than is the case in inner-cities. The seaside has made our town a magnet; early-on it was Manchester & Liverpool wealthy; nowadays perhaps, middling prosperous retirees. A bias towards old fashion is evident in many Q Local Southport forum posts.

Southport Silcock's Funland (image: Liverpool Echo)

The urgency of change is stronger elsewhere. It is a matter of speculation how trends largely determined by urban dwellers will impact the conservatively-minded others.
Having said that, Southport as a resort town could distinguish itself by introducing innovative transport measures, if only as a showcase. It is unfortunate that our MPs, both current and previous, did/do not promote innovative trends, but rather look backwards at Lord Street's belle epoque and the town's tawdry amusements, only, as the vital heart of prosperity.

[Alikado]

Southport residents' air quality is perhaps improved inasmuch as the Irish Sea breezes blow our exhaust fumes elsewhere. That is not of course to say that our air quality in invariably good; but the urgency of it is less than is the case in inner-cities. The seaside has made our town a magnet; early-on it was Manchester & Liverpool wealthy; nowadays perhaps, middling prosperous retirees. A bias towards old fashion is evident in many Q Local Southport forum posts.

Southport Silcock's Funland (image: Liverpool Echo)

The urgency of change is stronger elsewhere. It is a matter of speculation how trends largely determined by urban dwellers will impact the conservatively-minded others.
Having said that, Southport as a resort town could distinguish itself by introducing innovative transport measures, if only as a showcase. It is unfortunate that our MPs, both current and previous, did/do not promote innovative trends, but rather look backwards at Lord Street's belle epoque and the town's tawdry amusements, only, as the vital heart of prosperity.

The Irish Sea breezes do little to clear the pollution from the Dunningsbridge Rd corridor linking the docks to Switch Island, it is one of the worst polluted areas in the country, freight needs to be moved off roads to rail and roads only used for 'last mile' transport.

[Stuartli]

The Irish Sea breezes do little to clear the pollution from the Dunningsbridge Rd corridor linking the docks to Switch Island, it is one of the worst polluted areas in the country, freight needs to be moved off roads to rail and roads only used for 'last mile' transport.

Southport would never be affected by any pollution from Dunnings Bridge Road as it runs eastwards inland to the Bootle/Aintree/Maghull boundaries, is at least 16-18 miles away and we generally have prevailing west winds.

As for rail freight, it's basically a non-starter as has already been proved, because perishable goods are a no-no, the routes cross country are not conducive to such freight, it would have to replace around half-a-million commercial trucks plus vans and, even then, such freight would still end up needing to start or end being transported by road.

A truck driver going, say, to the Midlands, can be there and back in the time needed just to put his, along with other cargo loads, onto a train.

Rail freight is fine for large, heavy loads, but has never been profitable overall since the 1960s onwards. Hence the erosion of such services.

[Alikado]

Southport would never be affected by any pollution from Dunnings Bridge Road as it runs eastwards inland to the Bootle/Aintree/Maghull boundaries, is at least 16-18 miles away and we generally have prevailing west winds.

As for rail freight, it's basically a non-starter as has already been proved, because perishable goods are a no-no, the routes cross country are not conducive to such freight, it would have to replace around half-a-million commercial trucks plus vans and, even then, such freight would still end up needing to start or end being transported by road.

A truck driver going, say, to the Midlands, can be there and back in the time needed just to put his, along with other cargo loads, onto a train.

Rail freight is fine for large, heavy loads, but has never been profitable overall since the 1960s onwards. Hence the erosion of such services.

Rail has to be the way to go, it makes no sense that the thousands of containers arriving weekly at the ports spend an average of a week or more sitting on the dockside awaiting collection, they should immediately be shipped out by rail to regional
/ local depots for collection and distribution, perishable goods should be no problem, many refrigerated containers are shipped around the world, some of your fruit and veg is shipped from South America and Africa. If the container had been around in the early sixties it would possibly have been the saviour of the railways, they could be the saviour of the environment.