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  1. Published on: 28/04/2022 12:38 PMReported by: editor
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    It is unacceptable that Labour-controlled Sefton Council continue to miss bin collections across Southport, in some cases for more than five weeks.

    It seems to me a very basic requirement that the Council collect bins on-time, and I find it a real shame that this is not happening. I have been contacted by many constituents from across our town about this issue.

    In the first instance, I urge you to please ensure that you have reported this directly to the Council here:

    https://www.sefton.gov.uk/bins-recyc...-a-collection/

    If your bins still aren’t collected, then please do write to me at damien.moore.mp@parliament.uk, and I will be happy to contact the Council on your behalf and ensure that this gets done.

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  4. bensherman says:28/04/2022 01:14 PM
    Oh Mr Moore

    What a relief to have someone to deal with that evil council on our behalf. Most of us would be incapable of doing that. They will only come up with feeble excuses like 33% of their workforce off sick.

    Perhaps you could also help some of your fellow Tory MPs intervene with their local (Tory ) council where the bin services have been stopped by a strike.

    I have to go now. My bin was emptied at 0915 and I need to bring it in.

  5. salus.populi says:28/04/2022 02:44 PM
    So presumably he thinks that the 27% of bin crews who are off sick should be in work infecting their colleagues.

  6. Nash says:28/04/2022 03:30 PM
    Perhaps he could help out and do something useful for a change, instead of being an enormous drain on taxpayers’ money.

    I expect he will go back to into hibernation after the local elections, until next year…

    Perhaps he could address the issue of the elderly that the Tories sent to die in care homes....

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  8. gnalist says:28/04/2022 10:21 PM
    It seems to me that a very basic requirement that for the Council to collect the bins on-time is that it has the staff to do so.

    It also
    shouldn't be that difficult to understand that after the 100's of £millions cut by the Conservatives (with Lib Dem help) from Sefton's budget even the basic can become difficult if there's a sudden surge in demand or in this case, a sudden shortage of personnel - as everything is stretched drum-tight.

    It's a shame Mr Moore seems to lack the basic inability to comprehend that with over 1 in 4 staff currently missing, it's going to cause problems.

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  10. jayjay2000 says:29/04/2022 09:09 AM
    No fan of Mr Moore but in this case he has a point - a point which our Labour lot (Esterson, Killen, Paige and the rest) are not raising.
    Firstly Sefton Council have failed to explain WHY the bins remain unemptied - this is what you see on the web page:
    " Bin collections update 25/04/22 -We would like to thank you for your patience whilst we are experiencing delays and disruption to collections throughout the borough. Please present your bin in its usual way whilst our crew work through the missed collections and continue to present other bins as per your schedule."
    So, no mention of illness or anything else - Sefton Council need to be pressurised to ALWAYS give full explanation of any issue.
    Secondly - given most people here are saying that it is all down to 'illness' (assumed to be COVID) does nobody think it just a bit odd that all of this has happened just after Easter? And when COVID infection levels are meant to be going down?
    Thirdly, what EXACTLY are the checks in place to make sure that reports of a Covid infection are genuine? For example at present you can take a lateral flow test and report it online... as being positive without then having to give any visual evidience of this (you just decline to allow the camera to take a photo and instead insert manually).
    This is not a party political issue - this is a failure of Council service issue, which we are all paying for. All parties are equally at fault for allowing the Council to be run in this way, and even a diehard anti-Tory needs to give Mr Moore one brownie point for mentioning the issue (even if he is doing precious little to rectify).

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  12. town36 says:29/04/2022 09:35 AM
    Well Cllr Myers maybe if your council hadn't wasted money on the other items, then the council could of used the funds to hire more bin men ? to allow for so called sickness.The bin-gate situation is dangerous for alot of residents in our town who are elderly and the health and hygiene side of it is an utter disgrace. This council is a failure.

  13. salus.populi says:29/04/2022 10:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay2000 View Post
    Secondly - given most people here are saying that it is all down to 'illness' (assumed to be COVID) does nobody think it just a bit odd that all of this has happened just after Easter? .
    Hardly surprising if people have become infected over a long easter weekend when they'd be out and about socialising more.
    They released a statement yesterday saying 27% of crew staff are off sick.

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  15. Alikado says:29/04/2022 12:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by town36 View Post
    Well Cllr Myers maybe if your council hadn't wasted money on the other items, then the council could of used the funds to hire more bin men ? to allow for so called sickness.The bin-gate situation is dangerous for alot of residents in our town who are elderly and the health and hygiene side of it is an utter disgrace. This council is a failure.
    If successive Governments hadn't made the Councils Privatise services such Highways repairs they would have had a larger pool of labour to shuffle around, as it is now the only HGV Drivers they have are the bin wagon drivers, with over a quarter off sick and a national shortage they can't get hold of agency drivers. The Government is a failure.

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  17. Lawrence says:29/04/2022 03:14 PM
    Just seems that this virus attacks Council employees so much more than the rest of the population.

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  19. Lawrence says:29/04/2022 03:22 PM
    Why is a Council allowed to buy a shopping centre?
    Always thought a Council was there to provide services to the locals.

  20. salus.populi says:29/04/2022 05:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence View Post
    Just seems that this virus attacks Council employees so much more than the rest of the population.
    Those with decent terms and conditions such as full pay whilst off sick sre more likely to do the right thing and stay off work when sick. As opposed to those who get nothing or the pittance that is SSP who face a choice of penury or going to work while ill and infecting others.

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  22. jayjay2000 says:29/04/2022 08:42 PM
    I'm actually a supporter of - responsible - unions and I agree that Conservative cuts deserve a lot of blame.
    However salus.populi again fails to answer the question regarding the accurate reporting of Covid infection.
    As it stands I can take a lateral flow test at home and report it as a 'positive' even if it was negative.
    My questions is therefore - do the bin guys/gals take the test at home or at work.
    If at home then there is scope for fraudulent reporting. If at work, not.
    This is not a foolish question of Tory vs. Labour - this is 'we've paid for a service and we'd like there to be decent checks on staff sickness'.
    Surprised at how naive some of the commentators are on here.
    There's a very simple solution - if a worker reports a 'positive' test, ask them to come in to a suitably distanced environment for a supervised 2nd test.
    If this is not happening then abuses will take place - salus.populi may be happy to pay council tax for zero services but I and many others are not.

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  24. salus.populi says:30/04/2022 07:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jayjay2000 View Post
    I'm actually a supporter of - responsible - unions and I agree that Conservative cuts deserve a lot of blame.
    However salus.populi again fails to answer the question regarding the accurate reporting of Covid infection.
    As it stands I can take a lateral flow test at home and report it as a 'positive' even if it was negative.
    My questions is therefore - do the bin guys/gals take the test at home or at work.
    If at home then there is scope for fraudulent reporting. If at work, not.
    This is not a foolish question of Tory vs. Labour - this is 'we've paid for a service and we'd like there to be decent checks on staff sickness'.
    Surprised at how naive some of the commentators are on here.
    There's a very simple solution - if a worker reports a 'positive' test, ask them to come in to a suitably distanced environment for a supervised 2nd test.
    If this is not happening then abuses will take place - salus.populi may be happy to pay council tax for zero services but I and many others are not.
    But the scenario of falsely declaring test results applies to anyone, not jut bin men. So are you advocating checking results in all industries?
    I'm not going to speculate about the honesty of dishonesty of a set of workers I don't know.

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  26. jayjay2000 says:30/04/2022 09:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    But the scenario of falsely declaring test results applies to anyone, not jut bin men. So are you advocating checking results in all industries?
    Yes I would - why would you assume I wouldn't?
    I think I can answer that - you live in a world where you think people can only be either totally 'for' or totally 'against' an issue. In fact there was a time a few years back when it was acceptable for people to have balanced views.

    In the case of the Council services we are paying for them directly and have no option of going to any other provider - and as I write this our brown bins were promised by Sefton to be collected in the days after non collection. So far they haven't been and it is now odds on that they will only be collected on the next scheduled brown bin day (so two weeks without a collection).

    "I'm not going to speculate about the honesty of dishonesty of a set of workers I don't know."
    But to be so naive as to assume that there would never be any dishonesty amongst a set of any workers is equally foolish is it not? Throughout history there has been evidence of lots of little scams going on in various councils and companies - so clearly it happens in the real world we are living in.

    All I want to know is what monitoring of Covid test results is carried out by Sefton Council - either there is none or there is some (i.e. a random selection of those reporting infected) or there is full monitoring (i.e. all those reporting themselves infected are required to take a second test in front of an officer). This basic information on a service each house pays in excess of £30 a week on seems nowhere to be found - and our various useless Councillors are clearly not pressing for it to be made available.

    As I said, I am a supporter of responsible unions - by that I mean unions that fight tooth and nail to support genuine workers. Unfortunately - and one of the reasons why unions are often not popular amongst their own members - unions have a habit of supporting a small subgroup of workers who are lazy and incompetent. So you have a situation where 9 workers are doing their job diligently and properly and 1 worker who is doing very little (thanks to various scams) and relying on the other 9 to cover for him/her. In this country unions have a history of supporting the 1 worker to the detriment of the majority - instead of gently taking the worker aside and pointing out that if they want support they need to start pulling their finger out.

    There can be no legitimate reason for a union not agreeing to putting in place effective Covid results monitoring - after all, many of their members are also 'customers' of council services - yet I suspect they haven't done much to put it in place. Hopefully someone here has documented information to allay my suspicions?

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