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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Give us a clue Prof, who is Nato threatening and or invading?



    We do know exactly where Russian forces are with Satellite and drone images and we certainly know where the dead ones are.


    We particularly know of the places they have lost, Russia's mighty war machine is a myth.

    They have invaded with Lada's and Moskovitches maintained by thieves and the disaffected.

    Their weaponry is so poor they have literally missed military target after target.

    To boot they're led by a fantasist who thinks "God" is on his side in the shape of Patriarch Kirill sporting his trinkets bought off the back of the theft of the nation's assets.
    Read back on the History of Russia, particularly concerning the years of 2012 onwards. You cannot possibly know what is going on in the Ukraine -even the media is hazarding guesses. Tell me something - if Russia's weaponry is so poor, it's army so bad -why the hell would the Ukraine need to beg for new weapons from the States, and why would the States invest $8.5 Billion into arming the Ukraine? Hell - according to your report the USA could have saved $Billions, a few grenades and ancient WW2 weapons would beat Russia's tatty army?

    By the way - one of my hobbies is building war model kits. Those tatty Russian air craft, ship, missiles and tank models are really something, pity they are all fake models, isn't it?





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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Read back on the History of Russia, particularly concerning the years of 2012 onwards. You cannot possibly know what is going on in the Ukraine -even the media is hazarding guesses. Tell me something - if Russia's weaponry is so poor, it's army so bad -why the hell would the Ukraine need to beg for new weapons from the States, and why would the States invest $8.5 Billion into arming the Ukraine? Hell - according to your report the USA could have saved $Billions, a few grenades and ancient WW2 weapons would beat Russia's tatty army?

    By the way - one of my hobbies is building war model kits. Those tatty Russian air craft, ship, missiles and tank models are really something, pity they are all fake models, isn't it?
    Well Prof,
    The countries arming Ukraine are many and varied including us and its neighbours.
    Mainly because they were invaded by Russia.
    Russias hardware lies broken across Ukraine as they reduce their failing "special operation"
    They were such a rag tag operation that they strung themselves out for miles as Ukraine picked them off and they then retreated.
    Their failing at huge cost in men and equipment.

    You could re-enact a battle scene with your models put them on the floor and stamp on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Read back on the History of Russia, particularly concerning the years of 2012 onwards. You cannot possibly know what is going on in the Ukraine -even the media is hazarding guesses. Tell me something - if Russia's weaponry is so poor, it's army so bad -why the hell would the Ukraine need to beg for new weapons from the States, and why would the States invest $8.5 Billion into arming the Ukraine? Hell - according to your report the USA could have saved $Billions, a few grenades and ancient WW2 weapons would beat Russia's tatty army?

    By the way - one of my hobbies is building war model kits. Those tatty Russian air craft, ship, missiles and tank models are really something, pity they are all fake models, isn't it?
    The west generally has delivered weapons and systems to Ukraine because, although you may not have noticed Ukraine has been under considerable pressure and finally a full scale invasion from Russia.

    Ukraine, NATO, the West generally were not threatening Russia territorially, in fact reality is quite the reverse, it is, has been and continues to be Russia who strong arms other states to remain "allied" to Russia. All the alleged "reasons" for invasion are garbage, the only Nazis involved are those of Fuhrer Putin and the Kremlin Nazi party.Just take a look at the rise of Hitler and Nazism pre WW2, the similarities are frightening, the annexations "to return German people to Germany" the invasion to protect "against aggression from Poland" almost exactly the same route, yes Hitler had naive support, mainly due to control of the media, Putin's tactics are following the same road map.

    As far as weaponry is concerned I and certainly you don't know the effectiveness of Russian military hardware, it is blatantly clear that the tactics used are straight from WW2, massive artillery and armoured forces used as a battering ram, expose the best tank in the world at close range and it will get taken out, surely the Russians remember this from WW2, or not as the case may be.

    Whatever BS case you try to make, the fact is that RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE, not the other way round.

    Comparing war models with reality is bordering on childish immaturity, there are many apparently efficient aircraft etc from the past, some were brilliant, some totally useless, models of all can look great, doesn't mean much at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Zelensky's Law Degree, if it exists - would be combined in a Business Degree - it is part of Company management.
    Nonsense. Kyiv National Economic University offers a Bachelor of Law degree. When I was Googling I also came across several lawyers who earned their Bachelor's degree at the same university.

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    The Emeritus Professor Said has spoken,


    And you dare question it


    Zelensky addresses dozens of Universities in the US and Canada today, be interesting to see how he copes with the questioning of his academic career by Professor Said,

    from the Pukin school of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    The west generally has delivered weapons and systems to Ukraine because, although you may not have noticed Ukraine has been under considerable pressure and finally a full scale invasion from Russia.

    Ukraine, NATO, the West generally were not threatening Russia territorially, in fact reality is quite the reverse, it is, has been and continues to be Russia who strong arms other states to remain "allied" to Russia. All the alleged "reasons" for invasion are garbage, the only Nazis involved are those of Fuhrer Putin and the Kremlin Nazi party.Just take a look at the rise of Hitler and Nazism pre WW2, the similarities are frightening, the annexations "to return German people to Germany" the invasion to protect "against aggression from Poland" almost exactly the same route, yes Hitler had naive support, mainly due to control of the media, Putin's tactics are following the same road map.

    As far as weaponry is concerned I and certainly you don't know the effectiveness of Russian military hardware, it is blatantly clear that the tactics used are straight from WW2, massive artillery and armoured forces used as a battering ram, expose the best tank in the world at close range and it will get taken out, surely the Russians remember this from WW2, or not as the case may be.

    Whatever BS case you try to make, the fact is that RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE, not the other way round.

    Comparing war models with reality is bordering on childish immaturity, there are many apparently efficient aircraft etc from the past, some were brilliant, some totally useless, models of all can look great, doesn't mean much at all.


    The Ukrainian people are of the same ethnicity as the Russians. There are several Ukrainians working in the Russian Government. Several Russian people have families in the Ukraine and vice versa.

    OK. So the fact that the USA had NATO sit on the border of Russia carrying out exercises - had no affect on the NATO agreement that was signed to say that NATO had no intention of moving further East toward Russia? If you were the President of Russia - this would not have bothered you?

    You cannot view just simply Russia v Ukraine. You have you look at a far wider picture. Why is the USA suddenly interested in another country 5000 miles away? Why has the USA been investing so much money into the Ukraine? The USA cannot afford to give money away - not without a good chance of getting a damn sight more back!

    "Had the United States understood itsinterests in Ukraine from the perspective of U.S-Russia (and, ultimately,U.S.-China) relations (a perspective Joe Biden himself shared regardingNATO expansion in 1997) rather than democracy expansion, this crisis andhumanitarian tragedy could have been avoided.Rather than bring about a more stable, secure, and prosperous world,U.S. revisionist policy inspired by liberal ideology has had the oppositeeffect. The Middle East is engulfed in perennial chaos, the Taliban once againrule Afghanistan, and a hostile Iran continues to wield great influence in Iraq. Moresignificantly, every year China’s economy grows faster than the Americaneconomy is a year in which U.S. relative power further declines. As GrahamAllison illustrates, on many key measures of powerChina has already surpassed the United States. This is why the 2021 U.S. Officeof the Director of National Intelligence Annual Threat Assessment listed Chinaas the United States’ number one threat, thesecond consecutive administration to hold such a view. This view of China asthe biggest threat to U.S. interests is uniquely bipartisan.
    Because economics and demographics are the primary sources of power,prescient analysts foresaw the threat from China as early as the 1990s, even asscholars like John Ikenberry were focused on “strengthen[ing], deepen[ing], and codify[ing] theliberal political order.” In 2000, power transition scholars argued that“plans for limited NATO expansion ignore the biggest future security problemfor the West,” namely China. They accurately understood that the “need toprevent any … [Sino-Russian] alignment should be central to all thinking aboutthe future of NATO.” It was “naive,” these scholars argued, to assume NATOexpansion would not ultimately push Russia into China’s arms. Yet NATO didexpand, and Sino-Russian alignment is precisely whathas occurred."National Interest.




    "In last two decades, Russia has worked on improving their military systems and have a number of excellent capabilities – which the U.S. has, as well," Keane added.
    Russian improvements have come in air defense systems, fighter/bomber aircraft, offensive/hypersonic missiles, armor/mechanized brigades, rocket/long range artillery, quiet-running submarines and modernized nuclear weapons, Keane said.
    Additionally, Russian forces have gained "a lot of real-world experience" in recent years, Wood said, pointing to Syria and the Donbas region of Ukraine. Between this and keeping up with modern technological advances, Russia has a much more formidable fighting force than in the past." Fox News

    "It would be a mistake to underestimate the capability of the current Russian military," Wood said. Fox News
    I think personally, that Putin is most certainly not looking to regain an Empire - I believe that he is seeking a better deal for both the Ukrainians and the Russians by installing a Ukrainian leader who is more aligned to the Eastern European nations as opposed to allowing a USA/EU encroachment of territory. He is defending East Europe against Americanism.

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    said's RT post #36

    "The Ukrainian people are of the same ethnicity as the Russians. There are several Ukrainians working in the Russian Government. Several Russian people have families in the Ukraine and vice versa.
    "OK. So the fact that the USA had NATO sit on the border of Russia carrying out exercises - had no affect on the NATO agreement that was signed to say that NATO had no intention of moving further East toward Russia? If you were the President of Russia - this would not have bothered you?

    "I think personally, that Putin is most certainly not looking to regain an Empire - I believe that he is seeking a better deal for both the Ukrainians and the Russians by installing a Ukrainian leader who is more aligned to the Eastern European nations as opposed to allowing a USA/EU encroachment of territory. He is defending East Europe against Americanism."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post



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    said's RT post #36

    "The Ukrainian people are of the same ethnicity as the Russians. There are several Ukrainians working in the Russian Government. Several Russian people have families in the Ukraine and vice versa.
    "OK. So the fact that the USA had NATO sit on the border of Russia carrying out exercises - had no affect on the NATO agreement that was signed to say that NATO had no intention of moving further East toward Russia? If you were the President of Russia - this would not have bothered you?

    "I think personally, that Putin is most certainly not looking to regain an Empire - I believe that he is seeking a better deal for both the Ukrainians and the Russians by installing a Ukrainian leader who is more aligned to the Eastern European nations as opposed to allowing a USA/EU encroachment of territory. He is defending East Europe against Americanism."


    Turkey says it will veto Finland and Sweden's application to join Nato.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61472021


    Potentially this is another threat to the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post



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    said's RT post #36

    "The Ukrainian people are of the same ethnicity as the Russians. There are several Ukrainians working in the Russian Government. Several Russian people have families in the Ukraine and vice versa.
    "OK. So the fact that the USA had NATO sit on the border of Russia carrying out exercises - had no affect on the NATO agreement that was signed to say that NATO had no intention of moving further East toward Russia? If you were the President of Russia - this would not have bothered you?

    "I think personally, that Putin is most certainly not looking to regain an Empire - I believe that he is seeking a better deal for both the Ukrainians and the Russians by installing a Ukrainian leader who is more aligned to the Eastern European nations as opposed to allowing a USA/EU encroachment of territory. He is defending East Europe against Americanism."
    Are you making excuses for Putin's War?

    Now Turkey is saying it will veto Finland and Russia's bid to join Nato.



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61472021

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Are you making excuses for Putin's War?

    Now Turkey is saying it will veto Finland and Russia's bid to join Nato.



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61472021


    I think that's Turkey using entry as a bargaining chip over so-called terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    I think that's Turkey using entry as a bargaining chip over so-called terrorists.
    Whilst enjoying the protection of NATO themselves Turkey has put Finland and Sweden in even greater danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Are you making excuses for Putin's War?

    Now Turkey is saying it will veto Finland and Russia's bid to join Nato.



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61472021
    SGZ's 2nd paragraph is a quote from Said's post number 36.

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    I don't think Putin is on message with the Prof, he has already published his intentions which seem to be at odds with our own expert oh and with his actions;



    Russia is open to dialogue with Ukraine and ready to discuss the most complex issues. But it is important for us to understand that our partner is defending its national interests but not serving someone else's, and is not a tool in someone else's hands to fight against us.

    We respect the Ukrainian language and traditions. We respect Ukrainians' desire to see their country free, safe and prosperous.




    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181


    Free and Safe grate a bit, maybe its a translation issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    I think that's Turkey using entry as a bargaining chip over so-called terrorists.
    Sanctions imposed on Turkey by Finland & Sweden allegedly or for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    The Emeritus Professor Said has spoken,


    And you dare question it


    Zelensky addresses dozens of Universities in the US and Canada today, be interesting to see how he copes with the questioning of his academic career by Professor Said,

    from the Pukin school of life.
    The Detritus Professor.

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