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    Quote Originally Posted by bensherman View Post
    You have clearly run out of road. Why not admit it?

    I think he's just bored.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    I think he's just bored.


    Your right bored with being right, time after time after time............



    Blaming the ERG used to be standard anti-Brexit polemic.



    Then there was often a Russian element thrown in for good measure and time has exposed the tosh it always was


    And what about poor old Rees Mogg where is he?

    It's like all the favourite remoaner pantomime baddies are being written off

    There will be no show at this rate and if the groupthink actually read the agreement we would have to shut down.


    Who would they boo at from their bedsits?

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    If anything the evidence of Russian interference has increased not decreased.

    And it matches the pattern in other countries, most recently France , where the revelations about MLP did her great harm. They simply want to help any group which offers to harm unity and democracy in Western European countries and the US.

    But at least in France she wasn't in power, didn't appoint Russians to her party hierarchy and the legislature.

    I do wonder, don't you, what happened to the report on Russian interference ?

    Now back to the subject , the s**tshow that is Brexit and its manifestation in NI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Your right bored with being right, time after time after time............



    Blaming the ERG used to be standard anti-Brexit polemic.



    Then there was often a Russian element thrown in for good measure and time has exposed the tosh it always was


    And what about poor old Rees Mogg where is he?

    It's like all the favourite remoaner pantomime baddies are being written off

    There will be no show at this rate and if the groupthink actually read the agreement we would have to shut down.


    Who would they boo at from their bedsits?
    Not the Daily Heil / Guido / Express fairy tale version of Brexit, the actual facts.

    You know, that sunlit upland that the Bank of England has declared has cost Britain more than £440 million a week in lost growth since the referendum?

    The Brexit that is causing 'stagflation' fears from every top economist?

    The Brexit that ex-Sainsbury’s CEO blames for rising food prices?

    And that's without the NIP biting.

    You see, just going 'hahaha ERG' and 'hahaha Russia' isn't actually an argument. Mentioning 'pantomime baddies' doesn't provide any factual content, any links, any citation. It's just the usual drivel from a Brexiteer who think they've 'won' something. Some deluded triumph without fact.

    Most of all it proves you've no clue about the ERG, Russia, the economy, or anything to do with Brexit. You're triumphant over Britain losing £727 in lost growth per second.

    But you carry on skipping and clapping like the village idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Not the Daily Heil / Guido / Express fairy tale version of Brexit, the actual facts.

    You know, that sunlit upland that the Bank of England has declared has cost Britain more than £440 million a week in lost growth since the referendum?

    The Brexit that is causing 'stagflation' fears from every top economist?

    The Brexit that ex-Sainsbury’s CEO blames for rising food prices?

    And that's without the NIP biting.

    You see, just going 'hahaha ERG' and 'hahaha Russia' isn't actually an argument. Mentioning 'pantomime baddies' doesn't provide any factual content, any links, any citation. It's just the usual drivel from a Brexiteer who think they've 'won' something. Some deluded triumph without fact.

    Most of all it proves you've no clue about the ERG, Russia, the economy, or anything to do with Brexit. You're triumphant over Britain losing £727 in lost growth per second.

    But you carry on skipping and clapping like the village idiot.


    Your just recycling the same old same old insults and portraying them as sound arguments because you supported the failed arguments where these pantomime baddies were included on everything.




    You did do and still do conflate every ill to befall our economy as being Brexit based.


    If you can find a causal link between Brexit and our current financial issues it's at best de minimus.


    If only I could look across to see best practice in the EU to support your argument;

    Go on statista get your own numbers the EU has member countries with twice our inflation rate.

    Get your own employment numbers and weep.



    We are in global headwinds like everyone else but the Brexit dividend will win through.

    For the first time I can remember we have more jobs than people to fill them and that is putting the power back in the hands of the workers.

    For too long British workers have been threatened with,

    work longer for less or we will either ship cheap labour in or your job out.



    The fake Islington baked socialists hate it.



    Covid dealt us a heavy blow but Brexit allowed us to get a head start on the recovery.

    Putin has helped whip up food and energy prices but even he is on the back foot not least because we don't need to get agreement from every other EU nation before giving help.

    Cringe all you like, but Britain and Boris is loved by them.


    You quote the boss of Sainsbury who is as biased as Nigel Farage on Brexit.

    It started with Brexit said Justin King what the war? covid? how does he explain the inflation rates for countries still in? its absolutely typical remoaner nonsense?

    Might it just be his excuse for being outperformed.

    The failing Bank Of England another Remoaner champion you will be quoting the BBC and the Guardian next.


    As I said the same old insults and fanatasies as argument.

    Time is unravelling them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    You did do and still do conflate every ill to befall our economy as being Brexit based.
    No I don't, but the topic on this thread is all about Brexit.

    For the first time I can remember we have more jobs than people to fill them and that is putting the power back in the hands of the workers.

    For too long British workers have been threatened with,

    work longer for less or we will either ship cheap labour in or your job out.
    Sure, zero hours jobs, people who work an hour a fortnight, all boosting the employment figures.

    Fact is, NHS is short of staff, care homes short of staff, travel industry short of staff, hospitality short of staff, agriculture massively so, and many more.

    We need working age people working, paying taxes and spending their money in our economy. Shortage of labour is not a strength.

    The reasons for the shortage are Covid, long Covid, Brexit. Not much can be done about the first two, we've adopted a 'let's ignore it and it might go away' attitude. But how many workers did we lose because of Brexit? A million? More?

    And it isn't lower paid workers seeing some 'benefit' of Brexit. Public sector pay has lowered in real terms. If you're a financier or an IT professional, you might have seen an improvement. Generally people have taken a hit. That's before the highest tax rises in 40+ years.

    Even in relatively successful financial and related services, the short term mobility systems are suffering. Costing businesses large and small.


    Covid dealt us a heavy blow but Brexit allowed us to get a head start on the recovery.

    Putin has helped whip up food and energy prices but even he is on the back foot not least because we don't need to get agreement from every other EU nation before giving help.

    Cringe all you like, but Britain and Boris is loved by them.
    We send aid to whoever we want to. Whether we are in the EU or not is irrelevant on that score. AFAIK there are no EU rules on how much aid any country can send to another. If you can find one, do let me know.

    It's like the 'we could only get the vaccines out because of Brexit' bull. We were still part of the EMA at the time. It was irrelevant, but if you want to fall hook, line and sinker for any old guff the flag shgging RWM spew out, good luck.

    Covid may have caused the world all manner of financial problems, but Brexit is the reason we won't bounce back from it any time soon.

    You quote the boss of Sainsbury who is as biased as Nigel Farage on Brexit.

    It started with Brexit said Justin King what the war? covid? how does he explain the inflation rates for countries still in? its absolutely typical remoaner nonsense?

    Might it just be his excuse for being outperformed.

    The failing Bank Of England another Remoaner champion you will be quoting the BBC and the Guardian next.
    So the Bank of England is failing and the ex-CEO of one of our biggest supermarkets must be a remainer because he's criticised Brexit?

    Is suppose the FT are a bunch of left-wing remoaners, too.

    The economy has gone back to the 70s. Even the Torygraph admits we are facing a worse cost of living crisis than similar economies.

    But you know better than the BoE, the Telegraph, the FT, and Bloomberg, I guess.

    Sure.


    As I said the same old insults and fanatasies as argument.
    But you aren't actually putting up any argument. All you are doing is regurgitating Heil / Express headlines. 'Boris is loved by them'? Seriously, he's an idiot and they know it. He's despised by the US, he's despised by Europe.

    Nonsense about more jobs than workers is wonderful as it puts the power in the hands of the low paid, or we are doing wonderfully because we are out of the EU is simply bull. Try and read something other than trash tabloid headlines and actually research a little.

    You won't, because you really are that particularly rabid Brexiteer that is thankfully becoming extinct. Not by age, just by the realisation that nothing this government has done has made economic sense.

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    I find the idea that "Brexit gave us a head start after Covid" staggering.

    We have the lowest growth rate of the G7.

    Brexit has served to disable any recovery. Ask virtually ANY business person.

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    Pascale Lamy, former head of the WTO, has said that the UK will have to accept the Irish sea border as there is no other solution.

    I remember a while ago him saying that the UK leaving the EU was akin to being a club in the Premier League opting to play instead in League Two.

    That was when people like Farage and Francois were telling us that we could have equivalent trade on WTO terms. As the guy who ran it for five years, he said that suggestion was "laughable".

    Ouch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensherman View Post

    That was when people like Farage and Francois were telling us that we could have equivalent trade on WTO terms. As the guy who ran it for five years, he said that suggestion was "laughable".

    Ouch.
    Yes, I do recall the topic of tariffs was a little too difficult for some Brexiteers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Yes, I do recall the topic of tariffs was a little too difficult for some Brexiteers.

    You did struggle with it and so did a few others on here about what would actually happen.


    Many many words were wasted by those who thought they new better and wrote pages of tripe.


    Saying that we could go back to the no deal tripe.

    The latest tripe about the Irish problems, many a stomach got split in vain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensherman View Post
    Educate us.
    I could do with a laugh.
    As could all the businessmen, experts and politicians staggered by such all-round ineptitude. Oh, and deception.
    I'm sorry to hear that businesswomen don't exist in your worldview.

    Dreadful, old male chauvinism.

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    I am sure I heard an interview with a very enthusiastic Labour MP enthusing on the wealth and advantages of post Brexit Britain should Labour be elected.

    Unfortunately the small print says it will be 2030.


    https://labour.org.uk/stronger-together/britain-2030/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    I am sure I heard an interview with a very enthusiastic Labour MP enthusing on the wealth and advantages of post Brexit Britain should Labour be elected.

    Unfortunately the small print says it will be 2030.


    https://labour.org.uk/stronger-together/britain-2030/
    Better than Mogg who reckons it'll be 50 years before we see a 'Brexit benefit', wouldn't you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Better than Mogg who reckons it'll be 50 years before we see a 'Brexit benefit', wouldn't you say?
    A link would help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    A link would help.
    Here, here, here

    or


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