Proportional Representation.

[Dirac]

As things stand, implementing PR may be the only way for the Tories to get any seats at the next election.

All down to the growth, growth, growth plan they've put into effect so efficiently - for Labour's lead in the polls.

Well-deserved.

[The PNP]

There may be no such thing as a 100% perfect voting system, but imo the type of proper PR
I have seen in action in NL , comes the closest. It will take one of our two main parties to initiate a referendum on it. But would the voting public if asked, ever approve of a switch to PR?

[Dirac]

There may be no such thing as a 100% perfect voting system, but imo the type of proper PR
I have seen in action in NL , comes the closest. It will take one of our two main parties to initiate a referendum on it. But would the voting public if asked, ever approve of a switch to PR?

The answer is consistently - yes, according to polls.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...-voting-system

[greenmachine]

All that does is to form a committee. Its like 6 members of a family trying to decide what colour to paint Grans front door, in the end there is no common agreement .

[Dirac]

All that does is to form a committee. Its like 6 members of a family trying to decide what colour to paint Grans front door, in the end there is no common agreement .

40 out of 43 EU countries use PR and they don't seem to be doing too badly, certainly not compared to us, do they?

[The PNP]

All that does is to form a committee. Its like 6 members of a family trying to decide what colour to paint Grans front door, in the end there is no common agreement .

It invariably means no one party has overall control of Parliament for a period of five years, as currently happens. Instead, we get a Parliament that exactly matches the political makeup of the entire voting public.

People can vote for the party of their choice, confident that their vote will always count. Whereas at present, one party usually wins overall control and is able to do just whatever they like - for good or bad. In effect creating a one-party State for a period of five years

[greenmachine]

40 out of 43 EU countries use PR and they don't seem to be doing too badly, certainly not compared to us, do they?

Of those countries which have a lower percentage of unemployment, a higher percentage of home ownership, a higher predicted rate of economic growth, a better record re covid vaccination ?

[greenmachine]

40 out of 43 EU countries use PR and they don't seem to be doing too badly, certainly not compared to us, do they?

Only took 4 minutes to reply to my original post. Up to 9 minutes now, doing some research ????

[Dirac]

Only took 4 minutes to reply to my original post. Up to 9 minutes now, doing some research ????

You seem rather entitled and rude. Your question mark key seems to have stuck, too.

No matter, let me enlighten you.

I'll run you through some stats - according to your original statement, PR cannot work as well as first past the post, so I'll just do a single example. There are others.

Covid death rate per 100,000 pop - UK - 275.49 Germany - 176.01
GDP per capita in US $ (2020 data) - UK - 40284 Germany - 45723
Unemployment - UK - 3.5% Germany - 5.2%
Median salary - UK - £38131 Germany - £41842
Bank base rate - UK - 2.25% Germany - 2.17%

I'm sticking to actual statistics, by the way, because that's how data work. Predictions, as Niels Bohr noticed, are difficult "especially about the future".


If you had spent any time in Europe, you would know that the idea of using home ownership as a metric for success is just stupid.

So, Germany looks pretty good compared to little old us, even though they use PR. How strange.

However, you're just parroting the economic ideas of the Tories. There's much more to life than considering a person on their economic output, growth or purchasing power.

Let me introduce you to the concept of "happiness". How happy are the people who live in different countries around the world? An interesting idea and one that can be measured and ranked.

You could have a look at their website - https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...s-in-the-world
It might reduce your sense of British exceptionalism.

The top 5 happiest countries are -
1 - Finland, they use PR
2 - Denmark, they use PR
3 - Switzerland, they use PR
4 - Iceland, they use PR
5 - Netherlands, can you guess what system they use?

Overall, I think PR is a much better system than FPTP and I can provide data to support my ideas.

Have a nice day.

[sandGroundZero]

It is true FPTP has produced thumping majorities for parties (usually Tory) on the basis of underwhelming voter support.

However although PR mitigates that single aspect of representative distortion, proportional representation does not in fact improve democratic legitimacy. Given the added inertia in parliament, comprehensive reform would be stalled indefinitely.

It is the top-down nature of our thwarted democracy which is its primary distortion.

[sandGroundZero]

PR campaigners out in Birkdale - Make Votes Matter Should voters expect legislators necessarily to reflect 'the popular will '? & What is 'the popular will ', in any case?

[The PNP]

It is true FPTP has produced thumping majorities for parties (usually Tory) on the basis of underwhelming voter support.

Which of course, is why that party will never willingly introduce PR.

[sandGroundZero]

The democratic legitimacy of our governmental institutions is a constitutional matter. Advocates of Proportional Representation are thumping the wrong tub, wasting valuable resources in the process. We need firstly to have engaged, responsive local government worthy of the responsibilities of governing locally. We need to reward citizens for participating constructively, taking the trouble and responsibility of gaining understanding of the processes of government. We need to choose public servants /representatives on the basis of a record of understanding the issues, good decision-making and proven sound judgement. None of this necessarily happens the way we vote for individuals to represent us in parliament. Not with FPTP and NOT with PR!

[bensherman]

I doubt many would argue with that, but ask as I so, so what does that look like in practice?

I wish we had adopted AV when we had the chance

[Alikado]

I doubt many would argue with that, but ask as I so, so what does that look like in practice?

I wish we had adopted AV when we had the chance

I wish we had a 'None of the above' box.