Liars

[bensherman]

As one of our friends has an obsession with liars, although doesn't seem to know what a liar is, I thought I might start a thread on the subject where we could record examples.

To start with I give you Education Secretary, Gillian Keegan.

A few days ago she said in an interview on Today that we have record spending on schools.

So as you'd expect More or Less got into the detail. It discovered that she was excluding 3-5 year-olds who were at pre-school. More importantly it excluded the 16-plus cohort, typically doing A-levels before university; in their case real funding has fallen by 25% since 2010.

She also excluded capital spending on new schools or repairs (falling) and the decision to remove DOE funding for services like school psychiatrists which local authorities now have to pay for.

Anyone would think we have an election on the horizon.

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The absolute King by a long shot, Sir Beir Starmer the Liar.

no one else comes even near.


Strange own goal for you, Rodney you not had your meds yet?


Now which Labour source should I quote, there's so many;


Do it yourself just put "Starmers Lies" in a search.


There are literally hundreds of results from Labour Members and Unions no point in putting in opposition party results they obviously have bias..


Wonder how long it will take for some whataboutery to try and deflect

[silver fox]

The absolute King by a long shot, Sir Beir Starmer the Liar.

no one else comes even near.


Strange own goal for you, Rodney you not had your meds yet?


Now which Labour source should I quote, there's so many;


Do it yourself just put "Starmers Lies" in a search.


There are literally hundreds of results from Labour Members and Unions no point in putting in opposition party results they obviously have bias..


Wonder how long it will take for some whataboutery to try and deflect

Your opinion only, others may think differently, for instance Johnson, Mogg, plus a host of others, sorry but Starmer has a long way to go before he gets close to these more accomplished liars, but hey everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[bensherman]

100% reliable response from local there.

Still unable or unwilling to grasp that a lie is to say something you know to be untrue. Which Johnson and his cronies are our Olympic squad at. Even to the extent of having Jacob Really Misbegotten lie to the Queen as his proxy.

No doubt we will hear about what has been described as Starmer's "Damascene conversion to Brexit". Which makes you wonder about just how confused one can be.

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100% reliable response from local there.

Still unable or unwilling to grasp that a lie is to say something you know to be untrue. Which Johnson and his cronies are our Olympic squad at. Even to the extent of having Jacob Really Misbegotten lie to the Queen as his proxy.

No doubt we will hear about what has been described as Starmer's "Damascene conversion to Brexit". Which makes you wonder about just how confused one can be.

Whichever political party - there is no greater truth in the saying "Show me a politician and I will show you a liar"

[bensherman]

I don't think they all are.

I think there are genuinely people who have beliefs and want to serve the public.

Not a fashionable view, I know

I think a very common problem is a reluctance so admit they don't know something, so make something up. I'd have more/some respect if they said they didn't know.

But then there are the pathological liars, of whom Johnson is by a very long distance the winner.

[gazaprop]

Whichever political party - there is no greater truth in the saying "Show me a politician and I will show you a liar"

This - full time job is being a liar. On Sundays and High Holidays they become mere dissemblers

[gazaprop]

100% reliable response from local there.

Still unable or unwilling to grasp that a lie is to say something you know to be untrue. Which Johnson and his cronies are our Olympic squad at. Even to the extent of having Jacob Really Misbegotten lie to the Queen as his proxy.

No doubt we will hear about what has been described as Starmer's "Damascene conversion to Brexit". Which makes you wonder about just how confused one can be.

Would you be kind enough to explain to me what status you attribute to Smarmer's repeated assertion that he has dealt with 'anti semitism' within the Labour Party.

Similarly, was he telling 'the absolute truth' - when asserting that it was new information coming to light, which led to the suspension of Labour's prospective Rochdale parliamentary candidate - because dogs on the street knew that little one was a big, fat porky.

Or - was he telling the truth when he stood fair square - twice - behind the biggest anti semite since Uncle Adolf - assuring us that Jeremy Corbyn was fit to lead our Country?

Or Angela Raynor telling us that people buying and profiting from a Council house sale were terrible scum - that is after trousering £48,000 from the sale of hers.

Something about stones, glass houses and throwing seems to be nagging at the back of my mind

[carliol]

I have never been involved in politics in any way, and would never want to be, but politicians of all groups are no different from, and are part of, the general public. We can all put a positive spin on what we do or say, and sometimes that involves omitting or even departing from the truth. The L word is easy to use anonymously. Would you call someone a l*** to their face?

We now see the consequences of this toxicity in the news, some politicians to be given bodyguards, admittedly as an indirect consequence of the Israeli war, but a worrying development for our democratic future.
Let's show some respect to our representatives and disagree without being nasty.

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Your opinion only, others may think differently, for instance Johnson, Mogg, plus a host of others, sorry but Starmer has a long way to go before he gets close to these more accomplished liars, but hey everyone is entitled to an opinion.

By the heck the very next post for some whataboutery


You start with "your opinion only" when I couldn't have been clearer to not use my opinion.

I wrote;

Now which Labour source should I quote, there's so many;


Do it yourself just put "Starmers Lies" in a search.


There are literally hundreds of results from Labour Members and Unions no point in putting in opposition party results they obviously have bias..


Then you waffle on about Sir Boris And Jacob Rees Mogg.


It is funny though this desperate attempt to deflect

[silver fox]

By the heck the very next post for some whataboutery


You start with "your opinion only" when I couldn't have been clearer to not use my opinion.

I wrote;

Now which Labour source should I quote, there's so many;


Do it yourself just put "Starmers Lies" in a search.


There are literally hundreds of results from Labour Members and Unions no point in putting in opposition party results they obviously have bias..


Then you waffle on about Sir Boris And Jacob Rees Mogg.


It is funny though this desperate attempt to deflect

Not deflection, just facts, it may have escaped your notice but Starmer has not as yet been in power, he has amended many aims as conditions change, this doesn’t always agree with many people who wish to see original aims front and centre, as yet he hasn’t acted on any of what you wish to class as lies, your heroes have done, simple really.

Must confess anyone who can excuse or even hail creatures like Johnson or Mogg is not to be taken seriously.

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Not deflection, just facts, it may have escaped your notice but Starmer has not as yet been in power, he has amended many aims as conditions change, this doesn’t always agree with many people who wish to see original aims front and centre, as yet he hasn’t acted on any of what you wish to class as lies, your heroes have done, simple really.

Must confess anyone who can excuse or even hail creatures like Johnson or Mogg is not to be taken seriously.

Amendments



Pray, tell when over the years of his tenure the conditions were right before he had to make his many "amendments"

How the promises he made to become Labour leader were completely ditched.


You could even tell us all when Corbyn was fit to be our PM as he argued.

What conditions changed for the Corbyn he now doesn't think he is fit to be an MP.


You could even all make us laugh as to how you justify the "amendment" of his position on membership of the EU from nation disrupting second referendum to his current "no case" for membership.


Why on earth do you demean yourself with this claptrap, you have long argued for what I might call traditional Labour values yet this con man comes along and you throw your values under a bus.




The lie that the UK was a land of milk and honey able to pay for all his ludicrous promises and Corbyn was great just until he took his position is beyond funny.


Would you like ten twenty or fifty of his "Amendments" try googling Starmers lies and avoid anything not from the center or left of politics.

[bensherman]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66887576

you should read that more carefully

[silver fox]

Amendments



Pray, tell when over the years of his tenure the conditions were right before he had to make his many "amendments"

How the promises he made to become Labour leader were completely ditched.


You could even tell us all when Corbyn was fit to be our PM as he argued.

What conditions changed for the Corbyn he now doesn't think he is fit to be an MP.


You could even all make us laugh as to how you justify the "amendment" of his position on membership of the EU from nation disrupting second referendum to his current "no case" for membership.


Why on earth do you demean yourself with this claptrap, you have long argued for what I might call traditional Labour values yet this con man comes along and you throw your values under a bus.




The lie that the UK was a land of milk and honey able to pay for all his ludicrous promises and Corbyn was great just until he took his position is beyond funny.


Would you like ten twenty or fifty of his "Amendments" try googling Starmers lies and avoid anything not from the center or left of politics.

Don’t recall ever lauding Starmer as the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he has brought a semblance of balance to what was a very fractured Labour Party and now leads the only alternative to the current band of useless Tories.

There is no doubt that the Tories must go, for better or worse Starmer and Labour is the only viable option.

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Not deflection, just facts, it may have escaped your notice but Starmer has not as yet been in power, he has amended many aims as conditions change, this doesn’t always agree with many people who wish to see original aims front and centre, as yet he hasn’t acted on any of what you wish to class as lies, your heroes have done, simple really.

Must confess anyone who can excuse or even hail creatures like Johnson or Mogg is not to be taken seriously.

You have lost your political and moral compass,

if you could tell me which "conditions" changed for him going from;

Starmer said that Brexit needed to happen as a ‘matter of principle’

To heading the anti-democratic second vote campaign to,

seeing no case for joining the EU. ?


That's one hell of a journey.


Or,

Take his flip-flopping on transgenderism. At times, he’s been a strident supporter of the trans movement. In 2020, he committed Labour to introducing gender self-identification. In 2021, he admonished gender-critical feminists who say that ‘only women have a cervix’. But then, last month, in an apparent concession to biological reality, he said that ‘99.9 per cent of women haven’t got a penis’.



or,

Starmer admitted on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that he will abandon his pledge to scrap university tuition fees – a promise he made to the Labour membership in 2020. Other pledges he has jettisoned from his Labour leadership campaign include nationalising the utilities firms, increasing income tax on high earners, keeping freedom of movement with the EU and banning outsourcing in the NHS.



The remoaners tell us we are worse off outside the EU it doesn't appear that Sir Beir Starmer the liar believes them.



Tell us, what conditions changed?