Anti-Brexit

[said]

Funny that! They say om the media that more people are regretting Brexit. That is a fallacy! Many of those who voted remain now regret it - see: https://youtu.be/llAnoLFUgHM?si=jvRxJIH-7tqFC7Sk

[Toodles McGinty]

Funny that! They say om the media that more people are regretting Brexit. That is a fallacy! Many of those who voted remain now regret it - see: https://youtu.be/llAnoLFUgHM?si=jvRxJIH-7tqFC7Sk

Ireland didn't vote about Brexit. Why on earth would they? Did you vote in the recent Irish referendum?

Those protestors aren't worried about Europeans.

[bensherman]

Funny that! They say om the media that more people are regretting Brexit. That is a fallacy! Many of those who voted remain now regret it - see: https://youtu.be/llAnoLFUgHM?si=jvRxJIH-7tqFC7Sk

The only thing wrong with that, is that it is wrong.

In overall terms have a look at this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potent...of%20remaining.

So in about 60 polls over 3 years only 2 in favour of leave.

Then there's Yougov

The number of leave voters regretting their decision , net of remain, would be enough to move the vote to remain.

I have never met any Remain voters who now believe it was right to leave.

With regard to Ireland, the irony of the Irish people resisting immigrants is delicious. It's no surprise though, that there is space for right-wing politicians to exploit it. Even including the literally swivel-eyed guy who appears in the video spewing the familiar stuff about "puppets" and an elite.

BYW at the last poll 88% of Irish people supported remaining in the EU.

[said]

The only thing wrong with that, is that it is wrong.

In overall terms have a look at this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potent...of%20remaining.

So in about 60 polls over 3 years only 2 in favour of leave.

Then there's Yougov

The number of leave voters regretting their decision , net of remain, would be enough to move the vote to remain.

I have never met any Remain voters who now believe it was right to leave.

With regard to Ireland, the irony of the Irish people resisting immigrants is delicious. It's no surprise though, that there is space for right-wing politicians to exploit it. Even including the literally swivel-eyed guy who appears in the video spewing the familiar stuff about "puppets" and an elite.

BYW at the last poll 88% of Irish people supported remaining in the EU.

That is not what I have heard from my relatives - you are claiming that 88% would prefer to pay higher prices for their goods and that a large number of them would prefer not to want to work? That alone does not sound right.

[local]

Yet, our mighty new leader in waiting the liar Lord Starmer and his party clearly haven't been surveyed as they said they see no case for entering the EU just a few months ago.

Surely no one's saying Starmers lying are they, damn heretics.


It's about time these polling companies got out more


So all those disgruntled Brexit voters must be Tories, Lib Dems and that dodgy reform party

[bensherman]

That is not what I have heard from my relatives - you are claiming that 88% would prefer to pay higher prices for their goods and that a large number of them would prefer not to want to work? That alone does not sound right.

So your family are like you.

Perhaps you didn't get the 88% figure; that means 12% don't support the EU. They must be among those.

What's interesting is how support for the EU has held across the major EU members, despite the attempts by Farage's peers to blame the recent tough economic times on the EU.

As far as higher food prices are concerned, having shopped for food in both France and NL in the last year, I can assure you that in both countries food was cheaper, than here as was eating out. You comment about not working baffles me.

That survey also showed support for the EU in NI now to be at 79%. Which points out another obstacle to eventual reunion, which is that the DUP insists on Brexit, despite it having very little support for that policy in the country.

[Theatrics]

"I have never met any Remain voters who now believe it was right to leave."

You need to get out more!

[silver fox]

"I have never met any Remain voters who now believe it was right to leave."

You need to get out more!

Whatever their previous thinking, I don’t know anyone happy with the leave vote or the outcome.

[local]

If we are honest no one has got what they wanted were still hamstrung with EU dregs, the outlook though is fantastic, the much maligned sovereignty is not to be thrown away again.

The time and money wasted by the anti-democracy mob is a stain on our country and to think our next leader could well be politics biggest liar Sir Beir Starmer who has gone from wanting to destroy peoples votes and overturn a democratic decision to now seeing no case for EU membership because that's where the votes are.

He knows it otherwise he would flip like a demented frog again.

Forget the dog whistle polls for remoaner fools.

We really will be in the sewers of politics should he end up in Downing Street.

[bensherman]

I almost feel sorry for you.

But not quite.

Ignoring your non-funny "liar" epithet, if Starmer wanted to scoop votes he would be, right now, talking about ( at least) a referendum to return.

Out of 60 polls in the last two years all but 2 showed a desire to rejoin. Something like 18m people.

If he was the cynic you suggest, that's what he would do. And I wish he had.

[sandGroundZero]

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[bensherman]

I am heartily sick of those here who give us all this tosh about "the failing EU" and how we are somehow poised to reap some harvest from being isolated.

Read this and shut up

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...ks-inescapable

It has been calculated that the total benefit of the trade deals made so far will be 50p per family.

Miniscule compared to what we have lost.

Not to mention the £300 per month per household where there is a mortgage arising from the utterly disastrous Truss/Kwarteng episode.

How you can even attempt to argue beats me.

[local]

I almost feel sorry for you.

But not quite.

Ignoring your non-funny "liar" epithet, if Starmer wanted to scoop votes he would be, right now, talking about ( at least) a referendum to return.

Out of 60 polls in the last two years all but 2 showed a desire to rejoin. Something like 18m people.

If he was the cynic you suggest, that's what he would do. And I wish he had.

It's not supposed to be funny Rodders it's the unfortunate truth.
I can and have time after time carefully quoted all manner of people on the left who agree with me he is a liar.



You cannot deny he has gone from chief cheerleader for the vote destroyers who wanted to overturn the outcome of the democratic vote for Brexit to now saying there is no that's no case for entering the EU.




That's not a reduction or a question of timing it's a full screeching U-Turn and it's a lie.

Sorry you can't get your head around it.

[bensherman]

Oh I have my head around it.

In 2017 we passed the Withdrawal Act, which fulfilled the obligation of parliament to leave the EU.It was voted for by all parties.

The referendum gave no guidance as to How,which is what parliament then spent two years arguing about. At no point, however much they hated it, NO ONE proposed ignoring the vote.

It would have been settled much earlier if Rees-Mogg and the rest, abetted by Johnson, had endorsed one of the proposed deals.

The opponent of democracy, for his own ends, was Johnson, which was openly demonstrated by his attempt to close down parliament before forcing through the execrable arrangement we have now.

You seem to have great difficulty understanding how our system works

And no, for the nth time, Starmer remains as convinced a remainer as before. It's not as if there had been any bright spots in what has happened since

[local]

Oh I have my head around it.

In 2017 we passed the Withdrawal Act, which fulfilled the obligation of parliament to leave the EU.It was voted for by all parties.

The referendum gave no guidance as to How,which is what parliament then spent two years arguing about. At no point, however much they hated it, NO ONE proposed ignoring the vote.

It would have been settled much earlier if Rees-Mogg and the rest, abetted by Johnson, had endorsed one of the proposed deals.

The opponent of democracy, for his own ends, was Johnson, which was openly demonstrated by his attempt to close down parliament before forcing through the execrable arrangement we have now.

You seem to have great difficulty understanding how our system works

And no, for the nth time, Starmer remains as convinced a remainer as before. It's not as if there had been any bright spots in what has happened since

So many times on here I have eviscerated your sketchy understandings of the EU our membership and our leaving.
I have usually done it with good humour as it is abundantly clear you struggle with the subject.


Even now you have enormous gaps in your knowledge it seems all that debate, all that media coverage even direct leafleting failed to help.

It is I suppose apt that you continue.

But the funniest thing of all is how you upend your defence of the liar Starmer with another true "Rodney"




And no, for the nth time, Starmer remains as convinced a remainer as before. It's not as if there had been any bright spots in what has happened since


So you are convinced Starmer the liar is a remainer who announces he sees no case for EU membership, perfect logic


Classic absolute bloody classic.