And another IDIOT Cyclist

[libraryguy]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1770885706547695676

[donkey22]

Another IDIOT motorist.
https://youtu.be/mdCvw3ATfNc?si=AlKiZR9STFn6MRa9

This is all getting a tad boring.
We could play ping pong all day with videos of cyclists AND motorists jumping red lights.

[horse]

Another IDIOT motorist.
https://youtu.be/mdCvw3ATfNc?si=AlKiZR9STFn6MRa9

This is all getting a tad boring.
We could play ping pong all day with videos of cyclists AND motorists jumping red lights.

As you say a tad boring now, think the point is the van driver didn't get away without punishment, cyclists always do.

[libraryguy]

Van drove through red light 2 seconds after it went red. Van's inertia makes it more difficult to stop, though he does have better brakes than a bicycle.

Traffic light went red for seven seconds before cyclist went through and they had time to stop.

Both in the wrong, but cyclist had way more time and made a conscious decision to ignore it.

Bit of a difference.

[donkey22]

Van drove through red light 2seconds after it went red... Traffic light went red for seven seconds before cyclist went through and they had time to stop.

Both in the wrong, but cyclist had way more time and made a conscious decision to ignore it.

Bit of a difference.

If you’re unable to stop at the stop line 2 seconds after the lights changed to red on what I presume is a 30 mph road you’re travelling too fast or are unfit to be driving. The van driver should have stopped. The gravity of the offence isn’t lessened depending on how long it took between change of lights and crossing the stop line. Its 3 points and a fine regardless.
The van driver also made a conscious decision to ignore the red lights. They made no attempt to brake.

[donkey22]

As you say a tad boring now, think the point is the van driver didn't get away without punishment, cyclists always do.

Not always……
‘Esher cyclists fined for riding through a red light’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-eng...urrey-68007889

[The PNP]

Van drove through red light 2 seconds after it went red. Van's inertia makes it more difficult to stop, though he does have better brakes than a bicycle.

Traffic light went red for seven seconds before cyclist went through and they had time to stop.

Both in the wrong, but cyclist had way more time and made a conscious decision to ignore it.

Bit of a difference.

Yes, a bit of a difference. That being the van weighs some tons, the bike weighs mere kilos.....Should either of them T-bone something at speed, the van will cause vastly more damage than any pushbike ever could.

[justbecause]

I think it is more interesting that the cyclist carried out an overtaking manoeuvre without making any attempt to look behind to make sure it was safe to do so.

[libraryguy]

Yes, a bit of a difference. That being the van weighs some tons, the bike weighs mere kilos.....Should either of them T-bone something at speed, the van will cause vastly more damage than any pushbike ever could.

Hence why a pushbike should NOT go through a red light as it's more likely to get T-boned by the vehicles rightly going through their green light.

You really don't think before you answer, do you?

[donkey22]

Hence why a pushbike should NOT go through a red light as it's more likely to get T-boned by the vehicles rightly going through their green light.

You really don't think before you answer, do you?

You’ve completely missed the point.
No one is advocating that it’s ok for cyclists to go through a red light. More fool the cyclist if he did get hit. The difference being, the cyclist is unlikely to kill or injure other road users through jumping a red light. Where as the motorist in the van is endangering the lives of other innocent road users because of the speed and sheer weight of his vehicle.

[The PNP]

You’ve completely missed the point.
No one is advocating that it’s ok for cyclists to go through a red light. More fool the cyclist if he did get hit. The difference being, the cyclist is unlikely to kill or injure other road users through jumping a red light. Where as the motorist in the van is endangering the lives of other innocent road users because of the speed and sheer weight of his vehicle.

In correspondence with Sefton Tech Svcs years ago, I asked if one of our lights-junctions could have an experimental 'green bike' phase added. They said it couldn't be done, because there was no space for the additional circuitry in the control box....

Forward to the present-day and Lancs County have actually done that, with a green bike phase installed at St Helens Rd lights, in Ormskirk. Why have a bike phase? Because it 'legalises' what some riders have always done, gets the bikes away precious seconds before the motor traffic has a chance to squash them. A nasty and often fatal experience, which mostly occurs when a rider is crushed by left-turning traffic.

[horse]

In correspondence with Sefton Tech Svcs years ago, I asked if one of our lights-junctions could have an experimental 'green bike' phase added. They said it couldn't be done, because there was no space for the additional circuitry in the control box....

Forward to the present-day and Lancs County have actually done that, with a green bike phase installed at St Helens Rd lights, in Ormskirk. Why have a bike phase? Because it 'legalises' what some riders have always done, gets the bikes away precious seconds before the motor traffic has a chance to squash them. A nasty and often fatal experience, which mostly occurs when a rider is crushed by left-turning traffic.

And they still go through when their light is on red and risk being squashed, plonkers.

[donkey22]

In correspondence with Sefton Tech Svcs years ago, I asked if one of our lights-junctions could have an experimental 'green bike' phase added. They said it couldn't be done, because there was no space for the additional circuitry in the control box....

Forward to the present-day and Lancs County have actually done that, with a green bike phase installed at St Helens Rd lights, in Ormskirk. Why have a bike phase? Because it 'legalises' what some riders have always done, gets the bikes away precious seconds before the motor traffic has a chance to squash them. A nasty and often fatal experience, which mostly occurs when a rider is crushed by left-turning traffic.

I drive through Ormskirk most days because of work. They’re a great idea having the green bike lights to give cyclists a head start. Only problem that I’ve witnessed on numerous occasions is the number of dozy motorists who see a green light and instinctively set off too. Nine times out of ten they realise their mistake, but I’ve seen a few cars go through. Ideally traffic light cameras should be installed alongside to catch these idiots.

[The PNP]

I drive through Ormskirk most days because of work. They’re a great idea having the green bike lights to give cyclists a head start. Only problem that I’ve witnessed on numerous occasions is the number of dozy motorists who see a green light and instinctively set off too. Nine times out of ten they realise their mistake, but I’ve seen a few cars go through. Ideally traffic light cameras should be installed alongside to catch these idiots.

It's something new, that many drivers have never seen before. Hopefully, the green bike phase will be rolled out at many more junctions, becoming much more common and over time drivers will adjust.

There's one major difference between the UK 'green bike' light and those in NL. The Dutch provide a push-button for riders to press, which tells the system a rider is present. If no rider is present, the lights skip the green bike phase, saving other road-users time. Whereas the UK system is 'dumb', giving bikes a turn every time - even if there are no bikes present!

[The PNP]

And they still go through when their light is on red and risk being squashed, plonkers.

Well, any that do obviously won't last very long - so the problem solves itself.