If only we had cycle lanes in town.

[Stuartli]

I'm sure many of them would, as it enables them to get a move on and avoids having to continually swerve around dozy peds, etc.

More crass codswallop from you. There is no set "speed" for pedestrians to move about on pavements....

Nor should they have to be put at risk by cyclists riding on pavements (and don't bother coming up with your feeble reasons why they can be doing so).

[The PNP]

More crass codswallop from you. There is no set "speed" for pedestrians to move about on pavements....

Nor should they have to be put at risk by cyclists riding on pavements (and don't bother coming up with your feeble reasons why they can be doing so).

Core issue in any shopping area for peds and riders alike, is personal safety - both perceived and actual. There is no denying, that mixing the two modes in a location with constricted width is undesirable. Peds feel threatened and riders feel obstructed. So when despite that, someone still chooses to ride on pavement, it's symptomatic of something wrong infra-wise.

Far better to provide both categories of user, with their own dedicated space. Same applies between bikes and motor traffic, where separation of the two modes works out better for everyone - inc drivers. It might help progress things a little faster, if our decision-makers could be put on the 'front line'. E.g. issued with a heavily loaded shopper-bike for an afternoon, to experience riding the length of Lord St both sides.

[horse]

More crass codswallop from you. There is no set "speed" for pedestrians to move about on pavements....

Nor should they have to be put at risk by cyclists riding on pavements (and don't bother coming up with your feeble reasons why they can be doing so).

Word I would use to describe his comments is cr4p. I've never known anyone who speaks so much of it in all my life. Harps on about about wanting cycle lanes everywhere them goes into as much garbage explaining why they don't have to be used by his cycling brigade. I saw two women cycling down the pavement on Hoghton Street yesterday, cycle lanes both side of the road, no two ton steel boxes about and yet they still couldn't be bothered and one almost collided with a couple who were out with their two children and quite rightly on the pavement themselves.

[The PNP]

Word I would use to describe his comments is cr4p. I've never known anyone who speaks so much of it in all my life. Harps on about about wanting cycle lanes everywhere them goes into as much garbage explaining why they don't have to be used by his cycling brigade. I saw two women cycling down the pavement on Hoghton Street yesterday, cycle lanes both side of the road, no two ton steel boxes about and yet they still couldn't be bothered and one almost collided with a couple who were out with their two children and quite rightly on the pavement themselves.

You have to remember, that this is something new for Southport and not everyone will take to it instantly. Old habits die hard, give it time and the situation should normalise.

If this was NL, that family of peds would have had something to say. As happened to me in NL, when I attempted to ride through a narrow shopping street that was designated 'no cycling'....Believe me, I soon got told and had no choice but to dismount and push!

[horse]

You have to remember, that this is something new for Southport and not everyone will take to it instantly. Old habits die hard, give it time and the situation should normalise.

If this was NL, that family of peds would have had something to say. As happened to me in NL, when I attempted to ride through a narrow shopping street that was designated 'no cycling'....Believe me, I soon got told and had no choice but to dismount and push!

Again you make excuses for them but if it was a car driving up the pavement and I'm talking full length and not just on the kerb for six foot to park you'd soon complain. You can't have it both ways. Either cycle track/path or road.

[The PNP]

Again you make excuses for them but if it was a car driving up the pavement and I'm talking full length and not just on the kerb for six foot to park you'd soon complain. You can't have it both ways. Either cycle track/path or road.

I'm not saying they were in the right, because I accept they were not. But peds need to assert themselves in this situation and put the errant rider/s right. If those two ladies got told a few times, I'm sure they'd soon move onto the bike-infra.

[Stuartli]

You have to remember, that this is something new for Southport and not everyone will take to it instantly. Old habits die hard, give it time and the situation should normalise.

If this was NL, that family of peds would have had something to say. As happened to me in NL, when I attempted to ride through a narrow shopping street that was designated 'no cycling'....Believe me, I soon got told and had no choice but to dismount and push!

First point, usual crass comment. Very few want to go back 100 or more years transport wise.

Second point, None of us live in Holland and its utterly irrelevant to this thread.

To be frank the majority of us would be happy to see you push.

Off....

[carliol]

To be frank the majority of us would be happy to see you push.

Off....

Are you sure? Because then, this peevish majority you aspire to speak for, would have no one to insult.

[SteveandLois]

In which case he should have dismounted on the road and walked the bike to his destination. Duh!

Sorry,highlighted the wrong response...Should have been.Liked your comment..

[The PNP]

First point, usual crass comment. Very few want to go back 100 or more years transport wise.

Well those two obviously do, along with the one in the pic. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place - duh!

Second point, None of us live in Holland and its utterly irrelevant to this thread.

How is it not relevant? Surely, riding amongst peds where you're not supposed to ride is to be discouraged regardless?

To be frank the majority of us would be happy to see you push.

Off....

Funnily enough, that was always the plan on retirement. I.e. to sell up here and get us a small plot somewhere in the Carcassonne area, returning UK each Summer in the motorhome, to escape the heat.....Unfortunately, Brexit well and truly knocked that dream on the head.

[The PNP]

Are you sure? Because then, this peevish majority you aspire to speak for, would have no one to insult.

Lol....Stu's of that md-20th century generation, who firmly believed the car was our future - at the expense of all else. That misguided generation, who tore up so many railway lines, scrapped trams, bulldozed whole communities to make way for huge highways, etc. Thankfully, we now live in more enlightened times.

[Stuartli]

Lol....Stu's of that md-20th century generation, who firmly believed the car was our future - at the expense of all else. That misguided generation, who tore up so many railway lines, scrapped trams, bulldozed whole communities to make way for huge highways, etc. Thankfully, we now live in more enlightened times.

Yet again you make assumptions that are way off the mark.

If you got rid of your delusional one item agenda and attempted to think more sensibly and logically, you just might persuade others to respect your viewpoints.

But living in fairy tales land just isn't helping you one iota.

[The PNP]

Yet again you make assumptions that are way off the mark.

If you got rid of your delusional one item agenda and attempted to think more sensibly and logically, you just might persuade others to respect your viewpoints.

But living in fairy tales land just isn't helping you one iota.

What assumptions? It was the generation of planners and politicians in the mid 20th-century, who have so much to answer for taking the wrong path. And just see where it got us: atmospheric CO2 levels above 400ppm and massive congestion everywhere you look - not to mention an unfit and overweight population.

[Stuartli]

What assumptions? It was the generation of planners and politicians in the mid 20th-century, who have so much to answer for taking the wrong path. And just see where it got us: atmospheric CO2 levels above 400ppm and massive congestion everywhere you look - not to mention an unfit and overweight population.

That it was all my fault....

You really are a sandwich short of a picnic.

[The PNP]

That it was all my fault....

You really are a sandwich short of a picnic.

Not yourself per-se, your generation.