If only we had cycle lanes in town.

[Stuartli]

Not yourself per-se, your generation.

You have no clue as to my generation and no prerogative to believe you do....

[The PNP]

You have no clue as to my generation and no prerogative to believe you do....

Oh come on Stu, next you'll be telling us you don't remember the relief of Mafeking!

[Stuartli]

Oh come on Stu, next you'll be telling us you don't remember the relief of Mafeking!

I won't be telling you anything. You couldn't tell us the truth if you tried...

[Ric]

No excuses.

64
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129

[The PNP]

No excuses.

64
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129

Nevertheless....

In 1999, the Govt made cycling on pavements a fixed penalty offence (£30). The Govt qualified that by saying 'the fixed penalty is NOT aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic'. A letter to this effect, was sent to all Chief Constables at the time.

[Ric]

Nevertheless....

In 1999, the Govt made cycling on pavements a fixed penalty offence (£30). The Govt qualified that by saying 'the fixed penalty is NOT aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic'. A letter to this effect, was sent to all Chief Constables at the time.

Sadly not in the highway code which I read, and if someone is that afraid of traffic maybe they should stick to public transport.

[The PNP]

Sadly not in the highway code which I read, and if someone is that afraid of traffic maybe they should stick to public transport.

Many people do baulk at the idea of riding bikes in our traffic. Fear of traffic, is in fact the number one reason people give for not cycling. That of course is why so many drive, even for all their short trips in/around town, which would otherwise be ideal for bikes.

[gazaprop]

Many people do baulk at the idea of riding bikes in our traffic. Fear of traffic, is in fact the number one reason people give for not cycling. Which of course is why so many drive, even for all their short trips in/around town, which would otherwise be ideal for bikes.

Bloody great - keep the annoying t#@£s off the road and let the rest of us go about our business without having to avoid wobbly 'mamils'.

[The PNP]

Bloody great - keep the annoying t#@£s off the road and let the rest of us go about our business without having to avoid wobbly 'mamils'.

I wouldn't classify the average Joe who wants to leave his/her car at home for short trips, as a 'mamil'. Far from it, mamil-types i.e. sports riders are an entirely separate breed. Bike infra means little to an enthusiast on a roadbike. But that safe infra (or rather the lack of it) means everything to the person next door, who drives because the alternatives largely non-existent.

[silver fox]

Probably wasting my time, but here goes.

According to you the bike is variously the answer to global warming/climate change, pollution, environment, congestion, economy, health and fitness.

I think the majority of us are very well aware of what the bike can do and just as important, what the bike can’t do, there will be some circumstances where the bike is more convenient, for instance those who commute by train, will very often use a bike to get to a station, dump the bike and catch a train, mainly to avoid leaving the cars parked up, when it could be in use.

Now the reality check, all those who have gone to the time, trouble and expense to own and keep a car roadworthy both mechanically and legally, guess what, they will use it. Certainly unlikely to leave the car on the drive and drag the bike out without reason, your criteria count for very little if anything at all.

Like it or not motorised transport is here to stay, modes and propulsion methods may change, but dreams of a cycling population are just that dreams.

[Alikado]

Probably wasting my time, but here goes.

According to you the bike is variously the answer to global warming/climate change, pollution, environment, congestion, economy, health and fitness.

I think the majority of us are very well aware of what the bike can do and just as important, what the bike can’t do, there will be some circumstances where the bike is more convenient, for instance those who commute by train, will very often use a bike to get to a station, dump the bike and catch a train, mainly to avoid leaving the cars parked up, when it could be in use.

Now the reality check, all those who have gone to the time, trouble and expense to own and keep a car roadworthy both mechanically and legally, guess what, they will use it. Certainly unlikely to leave the car on the drive and drag the bike out without reason, your criteria count for very little if anything at all.

Like it or not motorised transport is here to stay, modes and propulsion methods may change, but dreams of a cycling population are just that dreams.

Under current conditions / circumstances motorised transport will remain but it a Government decides to implement measures such as doubling VED or fuel tax things could greatly change and very rapidly

[silver fox]

Under current conditions / circumstances motorised transport will remain but it a Government decides to implement measures such as doubling VED or fuel tax things could greatly change and very rapidly

That would also produce a rapid change of government.

[The PNP]

Probably wasting my time, but here goes.

According to you the bike is variously the answer to global warming/climate change, pollution, environment, congestion, economy, health and fitness.

I think the majority of us are very well aware of what the bike can do and just as important, what the bike can’t do, there will be some circumstances where the bike is more convenient, for instance those who commute by train, will very often use a bike to get to a station, dump the bike and catch a train, mainly to avoid leaving the cars parked up, when it could be in use.

Now the reality check, all those who have gone to the time, trouble and expense to own and keep a car roadworthy both mechanically and legally, guess what, they will use it. Certainly unlikely to leave the car on the drive and drag the bike out without reason, your criteria count for very little if anything at all.

Like it or not motorised transport is here to stay, modes and propulsion methods may change, but dreams of a cycling population are just that dreams.

Indeed, the bike has many uses and considerable benefits, not least from the personal health and cost-effectiveness perspectives.

Reality of car-ownership: Annual running-costs really are quite significant, taking a fair old slice out of many a hard-pressed household's budget in these lean times.

I don't accept the inevitability of the 'got it so I'll use it' argument. Why not? Because leaving it on the driveway more often, saves money. I.e. less frequent bills for new tyres, exhausts, brakepads, services, etc. Less money wasted annually on Pay & Display. Less miles on the clock too, when it comes to re-selling. Cheaper insurance, if annual mileage is limited. Not to mention the deterrent effect to burglars, of a car being present on the driveway.

[Rigsby]

Under current conditions / circumstances motorised transport will remain but it a Government decides to implement measures such as doubling VED or fuel tax things could greatly change and very rapidly

A bit like Turkeys voting for Christmas

[Stuartli]

Indeed, the bike has many uses and considerable benefits, not least from the personal health and cost-effectiveness perspectives.

Reality of car-ownership: Annual running-costs really are quite significant, taking a fair old slice out of many a hard-pressed household's budget in these lean times.

I don't accept the inevitability of the 'got it so I'll use it' argument. Why not? Because leaving it on the driveway more often, saves money. I.e. less frequent bills for new tyres, exhausts, brakepads, services, etc. Less money wasted annually on Pay & Display. Less miles on the clock too, when it comes to re-selling. Cheaper insurance, if annual mileage is limited. Not to mention the deterrent effect to burglars, of a car being present on the driveway.

You really are a playing card short of a full pack. But I suppose banging your head against a brick wall eventually just becomes a way of life for you...