Cyclists v Red Lights

[MICK/GILLY]

Conditions at the time I challenged Stu would have to be simulated, or there's no point in doing it. Which means you can't park on London St in a disable bay or somewhere else nearby using that Blue Badge of yours. Other than that, I'm happy to give it a go, but not for cash....Coffee and cake each on Chapel St and the loser pays.

Ha ha so now I can’t park even in a disabled bay but at the time of stu there was parking all along Houghton st before cycle lanes killed them and the shops. Were there no disabled or normal parking bays outside the Houghton pub in those days?? So why can’t I park where there WAS free parking or pay and display and where is the nearest places that you think I can park? Ha ha go on show yourself up further and tell us.
Ok So i SUDDENLY can’t park using my blue badge on Houghton st disabled bays where there once was NO restrictions parking outside the edge and the office or the disabled bays on London st outside the Houghton pub.
So your whole angle depends on me being able to park because you know that I will arrive there first and now you are dreaming up ways to limit my parking or access because you know I can’t park too far away because you know I can’t walk that far … rather like a normal motorist or normal disabled person people don’t want to walk too far to shop ( and that’s why the bike lanes are killing the shopping and businesses on Houghton st ).
But this is a Normal shopping trip with a ( for want of a better word ) normal cyclist and a normal motorist doing what normal cyclists and normal motorists would do.

You are starting to want to call it off or frustrate the oppositions chances of parking scratting at every straw coming up with stuff to limit my chances parking or getting to the end destination first.

When when you arrive at river island I am sat there with my car legally parked free nearby where there has always been parking spaces while I am dry under my umbrella ( if it’s raining ) and not out of breath (no more than usual) and it dawns on you the massive advantage I have thats going to make this easy for the motorist that’s not only fair but blatantly obvious you are going to kick yourself .

Ps my car, trainers and trousers are new and I didn’t have them a couple of years ago when you challenged stu is it alright to wear them . Or do I have to walk in bare feet over dog shite and broken glass now.

Not very confident are you.

[The PNP]

Ha ha so now I can’t park even in a disabled bay but at the time of stu there was parking all along Houghton st before cycle lanes killed them and the shops. Were there no disabled or normal parking bays outside the Houghton pub in those days?? So why can’t I park where there WAS free parking or pay and display and where is the nearest places that you think I can park? Ha ha go on show yourself up further and tell us.
Ok So i SUDDENLY can’t park using my blue badge on Houghton st disabled bays where there once was NO restrictions parking outside the edge and the office or the disabled bays on London st outside the Houghton pub.
So your whole angle depends on me being able to park because you know that I will arrive there first and now you are dreaming up ways to limit my parking or access because you know I can’t park too far away because you know I can’t walk that far … rather like a normal motorist or normal disabled person people don’t want to walk too far to shop ( and that’s why the bike lanes are killing the shopping and businesses on Houghton st ).
But this is a Normal shopping trip with a ( for want of a better word ) normal cyclist and a normal motorist doing what normal cyclists and normal motorists would do.

You are starting to want to call it off or frustrate the oppositions chances of parking scratting at every straw coming up with stuff to limit my chances parking or getting to the end destination first.

When when you arrive at river island I am sat there with my car legally parked free nearby where there has always been parking spaces while I am dry under my umbrella ( if it’s raining ) and not out of breath (no more than usual) and it dawns on you the massive advantage I have thats going to make this easy for the motorist that’s not only fair but blatantly obvious you are going to kick yourself .

Ps my car, trainers and trousers are new and I didn’t have them a couple of years ago when you challenged stu is it alright to wear them . Or do I have to walk in bare feet over dog shite and broken glass now.

Not very confident are you.

The average shopper can't park in disabled bay. There was no free parking anywhere near and still isn't. There weren't so many spaces on Hoghton St P & D either, at least not within a quick walk to Chapel St. And the dozen or so nearest, would usually be occupied.

Of course, a person could always circle around the block several times, until one came free, or better still nip into the NCP on London St. Either way, I'd almost certainly have got my svelte a$$ to River Island first....Which was the whole point of my original post to Stu, namely that a bike would often be quicker door-to-door.

[MICK/GILLY]

Outside the office there is disabled parking that used to be pay and display and the machine is still there covered up on Google maps and the pay and display on Houghton st is now Disabled parking. The average shopper could always park there. It’s wrong that you think disabled people are not average motorists although average motorists could easily park on Houghton st and London st pay and display before cycle lanes killed pay and display and the local businesses.
I wonder has stu got a disabled badge and if so would it be similar to me parking in a once pay and display or now disabled bay.

Your whole hope depends on me not being able to park and make it to the finish first, you have been wrecking your head thinking about not allowing use of a blue badge that normal shoppers can use then and now or hoping that any legitimate nearby places to park will be occupied thinking you have thought of everything but you haven’t, and you probably won’t until it’s too late.
I am not surprised that you won’t bet for charity or suddenly declare it’s unfair for me to park in a nearby disabled bay.
I will only be doing what any motorist would do in this situation and I will only park using my blue badge in disabled bays or use parking pay and display that has always been there.
Still think you will win with the massive advantage that motorists have over cyclists ???
Keep thinking it might even dawn on you .

Disable people are not average normal people now eh, the stupot I met may have a blue badge tho, he stopped posting for a while and then this Stuartli appeared ?? Is this new stu the same guy or another of your many personas PNP.

Anyway maybe you will win on Saturday eh ha ha.

[The PNP]

Outside the office there is disabled parking that used to be pay and display and the machine is still there covered up on Google maps and the pay and display on Houghton st is now Disabled parking. The average shopper could always park there. It’s wrong that you think disabled people are not average motorists although average motorists could easily park on Houghton st and London st pay and display before cycle lanes killed pay and display and the local businesses.
I wonder has stu got a disabled badge and if so would it be similar to me parking in a once pay and display or now disabled bay.

Your whole hope depends on me not being able to park and make it to the finish first, you have been wrecking your head thinking about not allowing use of a blue badge that normal shoppers can use then and now or hoping that any legitimate nearby places to park will be occupied thinking you have thought of everything but you haven’t, and you probably won’t until it’s too late.
I am not surprised that you won’t bet for charity or suddenly declare it’s unfair for me to park in a nearby disabled bay.
I will only be doing what any motorist would do in this situation and I will only park using my blue badge in disabled bays or use parking pay and display that has always been there.
Still think you will win with the massive advantage that motorists have over cyclists ???
Keep thinking it might even dawn on you .

Disable people are not average normal people now eh, the stupot I met may have a blue badge tho, he stopped posting for a while and then this Stuartli appeared ?? Is this new stu the same guy or another of your many personas PNP.

Anyway maybe you will win on Saturday eh ha ha.

Disabled drivers are not 'the average shopper', they are a special case. At least they were last time I looked - or they wouldn't have those special rights, now would they?

Average shopper might have just happened upon a free space, on London St/Hoghton St back in the day. Though it's more likely they would have had to drive up and down, till a space came up.

Motorists have a massive disadvantage when they approach their destination, and that's finding somewhere to leave the car. Then unless they're very lucky, it's a case of walking some distance to the place they want to visit. Not only that, they must also carry (50bags of shopping?) by hand all the way back to the parking space. Better they take a sack-truck along in the boot, lol!

N.B. It's not my place to give away info on other poster/s, so I'll let Stuartli answer that one for himself.

[MICK/GILLY]

If he had a badge in the day ( if it’s the same guy as stupot ) he could have parked anywhere.
If you think motorists have got a disadvantage then you haven’t twigged it yet how I can get there first and legally park, but yea the parking outside the office on Houghton st has always been there pay and display but now it’s blue badge and as pay and display I could use my badge so why not now.
This is just you trying to frustrate any chance of me getting there before you but as a motorist I will easily get there before you AND park legally because you think there will be no parking nearby.
I will do these two things easily because I as a motorist have a massive advantage.
A fair advantage, an advantage within the rules that stupot OR Stuartli has or had, today or yesteryear or forevermore as a motorist and parking … so it will be within YOUR RULES that you make up as you go along .
It’s a bit obvious I am surprised you haven’t twigged it or started crying about it but even so it’s a fair massive 50 bags of shopping advantage that applies to ANY motorist . Ho ho.

[The PNP]

If he had a badge in the day ( if it’s the same guy as stupot ) he could have parked anywhere.
If you think motorists have got a disadvantage then you haven’t twigged it yet how I can get there first and legally park, but yea the parking outside the office on Houghton st has always been there pay and display but now it’s blue badge and as pay and display I could use my badge so why not now.
This is just you trying to frustrate any chance of me getting there before you but as a motorist I will easily get there before you AND park legally because you think there will be no parking nearby.
I will do these two things easily because I as a motorist have a massive advantage.
A fair advantage, an advantage within the rules that stupot OR Stuartli has or had, today or yesteryear or forevermore as a motorist and parking … so it will be within YOUR RULES that you make up as you go along .
It’s a bit obvious I am surprised you haven’t twigged it or started crying about it but even so it’s a fair massive 50 bags of shopping advantage that applies to ANY motorist . Ho ho.

Big difference is, unlike the motorist, I don't have to carry my shopping anywhere by hand. Because I can legally park the bike at the entrance to any store and load it then and there, right on the spot.

Which pays off even more, when I go browse/shop at several stores dotted around town. No tiresome walking from one place to the next, lumbered down with my purchases. Just hop straight back on the bike and roll from A to B to C to D, etc.

Try doing that in a car....Even with a Blue Badge, driving between scattered shops and finding a space that close to each and every one on your itinerary, would be quite a mission!

[MICK/GILLY]

But when you make up rules saying that I can’t park on Houghton st or London st because they are now disabled only but when you challenged stu they were pay and display so I could have parked there then so why not now.
Because you are getting scared now ..you know you will lose .

But what you can carry is minimal when I can carry many times more than I am likely to if I was to shop in town which I don’t.
I can park almost anywhere in town free and still get to town and be outside river island long before you and once you buy one thing and put it on your bike and go inside another shop your saddlebags and bike are easily stolen in minutes from as my car locks tight and you can’t even see in the boot for the boot cover.
It’s no mission at all with a badge it’s free and easy parking all day mostly anywhere in the Uk, motorway tolls and tunnel tolls/bridges are free and so is the beach ( not that I would be going on the beach in my brand new top car ).
I think you are living in a backward bicycle world of simple people. You are challenging a motorist to a race to town thinking you will win and making poor ill thought out rules that you are making as you go along getting more scared that you will lose up as above.
But it doesn't matter because when you are carrying your 50” dolly tub home in the rain getting soaked while saying to yourself “he knew he would beat me with his massive advantage of a local ( or any ) motorist, I should have listened as now I look a bigger fool than I did before “ .

You said
“Try doing that in a car....Even with a Blue Badge, driving between scattered shops and finding a space that close to each and every one on your itinerary, would be quite a mission! “

Easy I and anyone else can do this in any town at any time using the same technique that I will use on Saturday to EASILY beat you .. that hasn’t occurred to you yet .
And I don’t have to drive to scattered shops lumping shopping from one shop to another ASDA usually bring it through my back gates and put it on the kitchen table for me . Like I said I haven’t walked down chapel st for 5 yrs and there are no shops that I am missing out on, if I wanted I could get to most the top end from Houghton st or the bottom end from Eastbank st new disabled parking or even tulketh st if I wanted to be seen drinking dishwater Costa coffee.
But I am happy as I am with a great advantage over you as a motorist especially on Saturday …as you will see, I am ok for coffee and cake thanks when I win and I will let you off the charity bet so you can buy another piece of rope to keep your pants up with .

[silver fox]

Don't forget, the challenge is door-to-door. Which includes the time taken to legally park and lock the bike or car being used.

It was from Norwood Ave lights on Roe Lane, to being being first to arrive at the front entrance of River Island, on Chapel St.....Btw, I'm still open to the challenge and will beat anyone in a car over that course. Point being, that a bike is often the quickest and most practical way, to go from A to B for short trips.

You want a challenge, how about something which actually counts not some half a££ed trip to Chapel St, before I retired I lived in Hesketh Bank and worked in Leyland, travelling 6 days a week all year round, now get your bike out.

Most shopping trips are for the weekly shop or similar, head for any of the local supermarkets fill 2/3 or probably more bags of shopping, there is no way I and probably most others are going to load that lot onto a bloody pushbike and wobble home, in all weathers, please don’t babble on about weather proof clothing or panniers, I for one am not getting dressed up like Nanook of the North, load up the bike with saddle bags like a donkey just for a simple trip to the shops.

[MICK/GILLY]

You want a challenge, how about something which actually counts not some half a££ed trip to Chapel St, before I retired I lived in Hesketh Bank and worked in Leyland, travelling 6 days a week all year round, now get your bike out.

Most shopping trips are for the weekly shop or similar, head for any of the local supermarkets fill 2/3 or probably more bags of shopping, there is no way I and probably most others are going to load that lot onto a bloody pushbike and wobble home, in all weathers, please don’t babble on about weather proof clothing or panniers, I for one am not getting dressed up like Nanook of the North, load up the bike with saddle bags like a donkey just for a simple trip to the shops.

A few years ago I had an electric bike a great big one, it was fun to ride with my young son as I wasn’t fit to pedal much. One day I took it about one mile to Aldi and filled up the great big saddle bags and rode it home and thought Christ thank gosh it’s electric as even so it was murder and no fun at all, some things in life you only do once .
I wonder if anyone twigs on how I will beat him on Saturday with ease (apart from being in a car) , it’s comically easy when you twig it. When we were kids we used to try and beat cars to the next lamp post on our bicycles, most people grow out of that around 10 yrs old, but this one here wants to race a car to town phh.

[gsgsgs]

You want a challenge, how about something which actually counts not some half a££ed trip to Chapel St, before I retired I lived in Hesketh Bank and worked in Leyland, travelling 6 days a week all year round, now get your bike out.

Most shopping trips are for the weekly shop or similar, head for any of the local supermarkets fill 2/3 or probably more bags of shopping, there is no way I and probably most others are going to load that lot onto a bloody pushbike and wobble home, in all weathers, please don’t babble on about weather proof clothing or panniers, I for one am not getting dressed up like Nanook of the North, load up the bike with saddle bags like a donkey just for a simple trip to the shops.

He'll suggest you buy a cargo bike like he did to me when we had a similar exchange of messages about using a car for shopping. I've long given up entering any conversation on this subject as it hurts banging you head against a brick wall!

[The PNP]

He'll suggest you buy a cargo bike like he did to me when we had a similar exchange of messages about using a car for shopping. I've long given up entering any conversation on this subject as it hurts banging you head against a brick wall!

Nothing wrong with cargo bikes, one of which I passed on Eastbourne Rd some weeks ago. Lady riding, with kids in the front of it. Yes, they will be a little heavier to pedal than a regular bike, but no real issues on flat terrain like we have here. For those who feel they 'don't have the legs', there are even 'leccy versions to be had.

[The PNP]

You want a challenge, how about something which actually counts not some half a££ed trip to Chapel St, before I retired I lived in Hesketh Bank and worked in Leyland, travelling 6 days a week all year round, now get your bike out.

Most shopping trips are for the weekly shop or similar, head for any of the local supermarkets fill 2/3 or probably more bags of shopping, there is no way I and probably most others are going to load that lot onto a bloody pushbike and wobble home, in all weathers, please don’t babble on about weather proof clothing or panniers, I for one am not getting dressed up like Nanook of the North, load up the bike with saddle bags like a donkey just for a simple trip to the shops.

H Bank to Leyland's, not beyond the range of a person of normal fitness, why I could do that ride myself quite easily. Though the roads between at peak times, are not by any means the safest place to be on a bike, so in those circumstances I'd drive too.

For me and many others, a simple trip to the shops in town centre doesn't involve filling two full panniers. More often than not, the main purpose is to pick up something specific, which probably won't even be heavy or bulky. Though, I may well take the opportunity to top-up my half-empty panniers with a nice fresh loaf etc, on the way back. Have to say, when I see folk getting back in their cars in town, few of them are carrying much either.

[The PNP]

But when you make up rules saying that I can’t park on Houghton st or London st because they are now disabled only but when you challenged stu they were pay and display so I could have parked there then so why not now.
Because you are getting scared now ..you know you will lose .

But what you can carry is minimal when I can carry many times more than I am likely to if I was to shop in town which I don’t.
I can park almost anywhere in town free and still get to town and be outside river island long before you and once you buy one thing and put it on your bike and go inside another shop your saddlebags and bike are easily stolen in minutes from as my car locks tight and you can’t even see in the boot for the boot cover.
It’s no mission at all with a badge it’s free and easy parking all day mostly anywhere in the Uk, motorway tolls and tunnel tolls/bridges are free and so is the beach ( not that I would be going on the beach in my brand new top car ).
I think you are living in a backward bicycle world of simple people. You are challenging a motorist to a race to town thinking you will win and making poor ill thought out rules that you are making as you go along getting more scared that you will lose up as above.
But it doesn't matter because when you are carrying your 50” dolly tub home in the rain getting soaked while saying to yourself “he knew he would beat me with his massive advantage of a local ( or any ) motorist, I should have listened as now I look a bigger fool than I did before “ .

You said
“Try doing that in a car....Even with a Blue Badge, driving between scattered shops and finding a space that close to each and every one on your itinerary, would be quite a mission! “

Easy I and anyone else can do this in any town at any time using the same technique that I will use on Saturday to EASILY beat you .. that hasn’t occurred to you yet .
And I don’t have to drive to scattered shops lumping shopping from one shop to another ASDA usually bring it through my back gates and put it on the kitchen table for me . Like I said I haven’t walked down chapel st for 5 yrs and there are no shops that I am missing out on, if I wanted I could get to most the top end from Houghton st or the bottom end from Eastbank st new disabled parking or even tulketh st if I wanted to be seen drinking dishwater Costa coffee.
But I am happy as I am with a great advantage over you as a motorist especially on Saturday …as you will see, I am ok for coffee and cake thanks when I win and I will let you off the charity bet so you can buy another piece of rope to keep your pants up with .

If so, let's make it a more realistic scenario, by simulating a visit I made to town....

First stop, the Halifax on London St to get a mini-statement. Then into Rymans on Tulketh St, for a pack of multi-coloured card, being my main reason for going. Followed by a hot pie and fresh loaf from Waterfields on London St. Eating the pie on the corner, whilst I counted bikes using Hoghton St and London St's bike-lanes. Then calling into Sainsbury's on the way back, for fresh meat and milk.....For this challenge, no need to enter any of the shops or buy anything, just make it to the entrance of each one in turn in that order - hows about it?

Btw, lockable panniers are available, as are clip-on panniers that can be used as shopping-bags and taken into a shop with you. Bike alarms and trackers are available also, though I wouldn't recommend using an expensive bike for nipping into town, just in case.

[silver fox]

H Bank to Leyland's, not beyond the range of a person of normal fitness, why I could do that ride myself quite easily. Though the roads between at peak times, are not by any means the safest place to be on a bike, so in those circumstances I'd drive too.

For me and many others, a simple trip to the shops in town centre doesn't involve filling two full panniers. More often than not, the main purpose is to pick up something specific, which probably won't even be heavy or bulky. Though, I may well take the opportunity to top-up my half-empty panniers with a nice fresh loaf etc, on the way back. Have to say, when I see folk getting back in their cars in town, few of them are carrying much either.

I’ve worked in Leyland on two different times in very different jobs, first job was shift work obviously travelling at mainly off peak times, but just try the Cocker Bar road at 5.30 am in mid winter, no traffic problems, but neither easy nor pleasant on a push bike.

Much later in a different occupation finished up in Leyland again, for much of that time I needed the car (company car) for the job, public transport or bike wasn’t considered at all.

Personally the number of times I go into the town centre would make a bike an expensive waste of time and money.

You will never understand that many people have different priorities and needs when it comes to transport, your constant babbling on about bikes and your anti motorists comments simply annoys many, fortunately your slanted and utterly biased thoughts carry zero weight or even credibility.

[local]

I’ve worked in Leyland on two different times in very different jobs, first job was shift work obviously travelling at mainly off peak times, but just try the Cocker Bar road at 5.30 am in mid winter, no traffic problems, but neither easy nor pleasant on a push bike.

Much later in a different occupation finished up in Leyland again, for much of that time I needed the car (company car) for the job, public transport or bike wasn’t considered at all.

Personally the number of times I go into the town centre would make a bike an expensive waste of time and money.

You will never understand that many people have different priorities and needs when it comes to transport, your constant babbling on about bikes and your anti motorists comments simply annoys many, fortunately your slanted and utterly biased thoughts carry zero weight or even credibility.

You are missing the blindingly obvious PNP doesn't (understandably) have anyone else to think about on his shopping or other trips.

And he clearly doesn't give a toss about his neighbours or the planet.