Cyclists v Red Lights

[The PNP]

At last - an acceptance that the 'weights and measures' argument is hopelessly flawed.

What's new? We can even meet our doom, in the jaws of an animal half our weight. The point is, cars kill infinitely more of us than pushbikes do, primarily because they are so much heavier and travel many times faster. This is the basis for the UK's hierarchy of road-users, which places the most vulnerable road-users right at the top.

[gazaprop]

What's new? We can even meet our doom, in the jaws of an animal half our weight. The point is, cars kill infinitely more of us than pushbikes do, primarily because they are so much heavier and travel many times faster. This is the basis for the UK's hierarchy of road-users, which places the most vulnerable road-users right at the top.

Or - just a numbers game, specifically the number of cyclists viewed against how many motorists there are.

[The PNP]

Or - just a numbers game, specifically the number of cyclists viewed against how many motorists there are.

Death by bike is so rare, that when one does infrequently occur, it's front-page news and everyone's talking about it from London to Edinburgh...Whereas death from car is so commonplace, you're lucky to find a small article on an inside page of the local rag. Even on Q Local, a death by car reported on the News page, rarely elicits a single comment.

So, if reducing the annual death-toll on UK roads is the objective, measures aimed at cyclists will make next to no difference to that total. Whereas, measures specifically targeted at motorists certainly will.

[justbecause]

Death by bike is so rare, that when one does infrequently occur, it's front-page news and everyone's talking about it from London to Edinburgh...Whereas death from car is so commonplace, you're lucky to find a small article on an inside page of the local rag. Even on Q Local, a death by car reported on the News page, rarely elicits a single comment.

So, if reducing the annual death-toll on UK roads is the objective, measures aimed at cyclists will make next to no difference to that total. Whereas, measures specifically targeted at motorists certainly will.

Apart from you of course, who will invariably act as Judge, Jury and Executioner, regardless of what the facts are.

[The PNP]

Apart from you of course, who will invariably act as Judge, Jury and Executioner, regardless of what the facts are.

The point is, if our 1,600-odd annual road deaths (2023 figures) were down to knife attacks, terrorism, or school shootings etc, there'd be a massive pubic outcry for something to be done about it. Yet because this has been going on for so very long, many just accept the shocking toll, if they are even aware of it.

[MICK/GILLY]

So, you think cyclists go through red lights because they hate motorists? Well that's a new one!


Where did he say or even imply that?

PNP The forum fantasist and liar in full flow.

Exactly weaving and dodging the truth pretending folk said this/that when they didn’t then changing the subject altogether because he knows he is wrong.
Making a thread about cyclists going through lights about anything else but and that’s what he does with all the posts he can’t defend or is blatantly wrong about.
look where we are now after starting out about bikes running red lights we have a weights and measures argument that has nothing to do with the post then we are led off into school shootings, terrorism and being eaten by jungle animals.
I think as many deaths on bicycles have been reported on this site as in cars.
And bikes are at the top of the Hierarchy at the A/E due to stupid riding styles and not looking where they are going .

When you said fantasist and liar you forgot his misdirection skills of an old blind magician and bullship qualities of tricks that never work.
And all because we’ll see cyclists going through red lights all day long, if they are not doing that they are undertaking on zig zag crossing lines or other daft stuff and this guy can turn any thread about anything into a click bait cycling thread and that’s his job .. and we all bite every time .
Because we can’t stand bullship .

[gazaprop]

Death by bike is so rare, that when one does infrequently occur, it's front-page news and everyone's talking about it from London to Edinburgh...Whereas death from car is so commonplace, you're lucky to find a small article on an inside page of the local rag. Even on Q Local, a death by car reported on the News page, rarely elicits a single comment.

So, if reducing the annual death-toll on UK roads is the objective, measures aimed at cyclists will make next to no difference to that total. Whereas, measures specifically targeted at motorists certainly will.

There's a legal doctrine about 'mitigating your losses' which looks at what effect did 'your' actions have on the outcome.
Without drilling down into the circumstances of each death - I wonder what effect the dopey actions of the cyclist had on the outcome of the incidents you refer to?

[The PNP]

There's a legal doctrine about 'mitigating your losses' which looks at what effect did 'your' actions have on the outcome.
Without drilling down into the circumstances of each death - I wonder what effect the dopey actions of the cyclist had on the outcome of the incidents you refer to?

Riders and motorists, are not separate species of human with different levels of intelligence - or a lack of it.....Put 100 random people through an IQ test and you would be unable to single out bike owners from car owners. So 'dopeyness' is as likely in one type of road-user as another.

[justbecause]

Riders and motorists, are not separate species of human with different levels of intelligence - or a lack of it.....Put 100 random people through an IQ test and you would be unable to single out bike owners from car owners. So 'dopeyness' is as likely in one type of road-user as another.

If that is the case, why do you regularly add a disparaging comment when referring to a motorist, but never when referring to a cyclist?

[MICK/GILLY]

Riders and motorists, are not separate species of human with different levels of intelligence - or a lack of it.....Put 100 random people through an IQ test and you would be unable to single out bike owners from car owners. So 'dopeyness' is as likely in one type of road-user as another.

Ah but put them through a driving test and ask them to name road signs and what the colours of traffic lights mean and what cycle lanes are for and how to ride safely between real road users and they would stand out as much as their Lycra covered arses and moustaches. And they are a different lower level of intelligence as we see on here everyday .

[The PNP]

Ah but put them through a driving test and ask them to name road signs and what the colours of traffic lights mean and what cycle lanes are for and how to ride safely between real road users and they would stand out as much as their Lycra covered arses and moustaches. And they are a different lower level of intelligence as we see on here everyday .

Why not put them through a 'physical', to see who's who? Pound to a penny, the cyclists will mainly appear in the fittest top fifty percentile!

So who's smarter? The ones who keep fit and live longer as a result. Or the ones who use a motorised contraption, to carry their lazy fat ar$es everywhere!

[silver fox]

What's new? We can even meet our doom, in the jaws of an animal half our weight. The point is, cars kill infinitely more of us than pushbikes do, primarily because they are so much heavier and travel many times faster. This is the basis for the UK's hierarchy of road-users, which places the most vulnerable road-users right at the top.

Considering that cars on our roads probably outnumber bikes by about 1,000 to 1, record is pretty good.

No-one relishes death or injury from whatever cause, but sadly we humans are fallible and quite fragile, I’ve no doubt that we humans have been coming to untimely ends since our time on Earth began, certainly let’s do whatever we can to reduce death or injury, but the sad fact is that whatever we do, we can never eliminate all accidents in every circumstance.

[The PNP]

Considering that cars on our roads probably outnumber bikes by about 1,000 to 1, record is pretty good.

No-one relishes death or injury from whatever cause, but sadly we humans are fallible and quite fragile, I’ve no doubt that we humans have been coming to untimely ends since our time on Earth began, certainly let’s do whatever we can to reduce death or injury, but the sad fact is that whatever we do, we can never eliminate all accidents in every circumstance.

True. However, disentangling the various modes onto their own discrete infra, would go a long way to achieving that goal.

[MICK/GILLY]

Why not put them through a 'physical', to see who's who? Pound to a penny, the cyclists will mainly appear in the fittest top fifty percentile!

So who's smarter? The ones who keep fit and live longer as a result. Or the ones who use a motorised contraption, to carry their lazy fat ar$es everywhere!

Given the figures of 1,000-1 I think there will be fitter and many times smarter drivers on the whole and if cyclists wanted to live longer they wouldn’t ride through red lights or do other daft tricks we see everytime we go out and they would actually use cycle lanes but their brains haven’t worked that out yet they can just manage to come up with stupid and unreasonable reasons for not doing and that’s the pinnacle of their intelligence.
They should be made to wear knotted handkerchiefs on their heads instead of helmets as they have nothing to protect up there.
https://youtu.be/MrCPIrs90eg?si=ASbYVUQFsc5DjjaM

[The PNP]

Given the figures of 1,000-1 I think there will be fitter and many times smarter drivers on the whole and if cyclists wanted to live longer they wouldn’t ride through red lights or do other daft tricks we see everytime we go out and they would actually use cycle lanes but their brains haven’t worked that out yet they can just manage to come up with stupid and unreasonable reasons for not doing and that’s the pinnacle of their intelligence.
They should be made to wear knotted handkerchiefs on their heads instead of helmets as they have nothing to protect up there.

Sounds like you're really just cheezed-off, every time someone on a bike sneaks through, whilst you're stuck in a queue of cars going nowhere, lol!