Green Party sabotage.

[sandGroundZero]

1. I stated clearly that going into a full description of everything would be far to lengthy, I am very aware that the British constantly made moves to placate the Arab majority, I am also aware that all of this stems from immediately after WW1, with the end of the Ottoman Empire, the Arab leaders wanted a total Islamic State, basically continuing the Islamic rule from previous rulers.
   
   
2. From there on the actions and attempts to bring semblance of freedom or democracy were never accepted and yes there was an attempt to create a single state, but the Arabs wouldn’t accept neither Jews nor Christians on the governing body.
   
   
3. Sadly the British do not come out of all of this well, we managed at times to alienate both sides, imposing restrictions on Jewish immigration, at one time banning Jews from owning land and property apart what they already owned, the whole thing illustrates the absurdity of religious dogma, let’s be clear that’s all bloody religions.

formatting added, of course

Arab leaders of all stripes wanted an Arab state. Nationalism was comparatively late coming to the Arab lands. Only a thin veneer of European Enlightenment values percolated through the Ottoman Empire. In contrast, top Zionist leaders were educated into European culture. They were sophisticated and well connected. Those Arab leaders who had had a modern and democratic form of governance in mind were thwarted by British and French colonial interference. I am interested to know specifically what "attempt to create a single state" you are alluding to. The British Mandate was barely disguised colonial rule. When the British still imagined that they could sustain sufficient control to advantage Imperial goals, they did attempt to co-opt representatives from both the Jewish and non-Jewish communities. However, the record is clear that the Zionist in-comers' quasi-state organization was generally welcomed, while for the Arabs it was discouraged. In retrospect, the British efforts were calamitous; the reasons being primarily Imperial hauteur. Colonial mindset and general arrogance, not to say racism obstructed Arab political development and quite probably abetted the subsequent reversion to anti-modern religious dogmatism!

[The PNP]

The Jewish people were then and now part of the indigenous population, don’t forget many of those “ immigrants” were actually people displaced from the new Arab territories, they already lived there.

Let's just hope the same 'indigenous population' claim is never made here, by UK passport-holders of a certain non-Christian religion..... Or their overseas brethren will feel perfectly justified to come piling in, in their millions!

[sandGroundZero]

The Jewish people were then and now part of the indigenous population, don’t forget many of those “ immigrants” were actually people displaced from the new Arab territories, they already lived there.

— But, it was the influx of European Jewish migrants that upset the apple cart!

[silver fox]

— But, it was the influx of European Jewish migrants that upset the apple cart!

There is obviously some truth in that, however let’s not forget that between 40 and 60 million people were displaced during WW2 at the end of the war many, particularly Jews could not return to what had been their homes, survivors from concentration/slave camps numbered 100s of thousands, where do you think many headed for while looking for safety and security?

Of course this wasn’t just Jewish migration, huge numbers wouldn’t return to Soviet occupied territories, for obvious reasons, migrants went to other countries as well as Israel, it’s difficult for us to fully comprehend the scale of the mass movement of people after the war.

[silver fox]

Let's just hope the same 'indigenous population' claim is never made here, by UK passport-holders of a certain non-Christian religion..... Or their overseas brethren will feel perfectly justified to come piling in, in their millions!

Different situation altogether, the Jewish people have been indigenous to the area since recorded time.

That ploy is already being used here, one member gain’s residential status, the brings the family over.

[local]

To think some people in Europe still occupy the homes their families stole off Jewish people as they joined in the persecution of their "friends" and neighbours.

It certainly has a cruel mirror in Palestinian homes and may explain their reluctance to return them.

It is a very un-holy mess.

[The PNP]

There is obviously some truth in that, however let’s not forget that between 40 and 60 million people were displaced during WE2, at the end of the war many, particularly Jews could not return to what had been their homes, survivors from concentration/slave camps numbered 100s of thousands, where do you think many headed for while looking for safety and security?

Of course this wasn’t just Jewish migration, huge numbers wouldn’t return to Soviet occupied territories, for obvious reasons, migrants went to other countries as well as Israel, it’s difficult for us to fully comprehend the scale of the mass movement of people after the war.

Many, if not most displaced people, were glad to be able to return to where they came from after the war and begin the process of rebuilding their lives. As the war was now history and Germany was 'de-Nazified', I don't really see why (with the exception of Soviet controlled areas) Jewish displaced couldn't also return, to wherever they had been displaced from either.

[Hamble]

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"Prior to the Muslim conquest of Palestine (635–640), Palaestina Prima had a population of 700,000, of which around 100,000 were Jews and 30-80,000 were Samaritans,[67] with the remainder being Chalcedonian and Miaphysite Christians.[5][68][69]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...stine_(region)

So easy to look up the historical facts.

[silver fox]

Many, if not most displaced people, were glad to be able to return to where they came from after the war and begin the process of rebuilding their lives. As the war was now history and Germany was 'de-Nazified', I don't really see why (with the exception of Soviet controlled areas) Jewish displaced couldn't also return, to wherever they had been displaced from either.

Don’t always agree with Local, but just read his post above yours, there were many people all over Europe who didn’t have a home to go to, on a much smaller scale right here in Burscough, two hutted camps which had been used for military personnel were used to house bombed out people from Liverpool, some of this was authorised but some people simply moved in, a lot of people stayed in the area rather than return, magnify this to a European scale, then possibly understand.

[local]

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"Prior to the Muslim conquest of Palestine (635–640), Palaestina Prima had a population of 700,000, of which around 100,000 were Jews and 30-80,000 were Samaritans,[67] with the remainder being Chalcedonian and Miaphysite Christians.[5][68][69]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...stine_(region)

So easy to look up the historical facts.

So easy to look up but so hard to prove.

Wiki depends on its contributors and the devil is very much in the small print.

A healthy dose of Kosher salt methinks.

[Hamble]

Many, if not most displaced people, were glad to be able to return to where they came from after the war and begin the process of rebuilding their lives. As the war was now history and Germany was 'de-Nazified', I don't really see why (with the exception of Soviet controlled areas) Jewish displaced couldn't also return, to wherever they had been displaced from either.

Absolute rubbish.
Jews returning to European cities had no reclaim to homes or property and were still murdered by Europeans not in uniform.
Ordinary Nazi members were able to take jobs in rebuilding German infrastructure.

I consider myself British not European.

[The PNP]

Don’t always agree with Local, but just read his post above yours, there were many people all over Europe who didn’t have a home to go to, on a much smaller scale right here in Burscough, two hutted camps which had been used for military personnel were used to house bombed out people from Liverpool, some of this was authorised but some people simply moved in, a lot of people stayed in the area rather than return, magnify this to a European scale, then possibly understand.

I doubt there were hundreds of thousands of empty properties lying around in Palestine for migrant Jews to just move into either...Makes you wonder, if that wasn't a major reason behind clearing the existing population out of their homes, a process which continues into the present-day.

[The PNP]

Absolute rubbish.
Jews returning to European cities had no reclaim to homes or property and were still murdered by Europeans not in uniform.
Ordinary Nazi members were able to take jobs in rebuilding German infrastructure.

I consider myself British not European.

Germany would have been under Allied control and probably also marshal law at that time...I doubt many murder cases would have been overlooked - unless it was a case of the formerly oppressed, taking revenge against known Nazis.

[silver fox]

I doubt there were hundreds of thousands of empty properties lying around in Palestine for migrant Jews to just move into either...Makes you wonder, if that wasn't a major reason behind clearing the existing population out of their homes, a process which continues into the present-day.

Those moving out of Israel probably took over property vacated by Jews fleeing the Arab states, movement and migration wasn’t just one way, the whole situation was badly handled by the British, we created probably more problems than we solved, bottom line the state of Israel and its people have a right to exist, this chant from terrorist supporters of “from the river to the sea”’ should have all been Israeli territory, IMO a much more logical solution.

[The PNP]

Those moving out of Israel probably took over property vacated by Jews fleeing the Arab states, movement and migration wasn’t just one way, the whole situation was badly handled by the British, we created probably more problems than we solved, bottom line the state of Israel and its people have a right to exist, this chant from terrorist supporters of “from the river to the sea”’ should have all been Israeli territory, IMO a much more logical solution.

'Moving out'?
Fleeing more like!